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Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consider the implications of AI knowing everything about you, even down to your biometric behavior. Think about the threat of disinformation campaigns targeting democracies. I know my stance may seem weak in terms of ideals, and I feel a bitter regret toward my former self. But shouldn’t we, as humans, try to honor our shared values and act accordingly? I don't understand this train of thought, what exactly are you…

You're right. What I was trying to say is that simply being on the internet today — using AIs, corporate networks, and so on — almost certainly exposes your most personal and unique information (the kind of data that reveals your very identity) to the entities operating those systems. Sadly, I was implying that anonymity is becoming an obsolete concept. Then I tried to think of a law that could help the Swiss governm…

Got it, thanks for clarifying!

I'm in complete agreement with you, I first got scared with the potential for profiling individuals through data collection over time some 15 years ago. I was working on a very small project from a startup, related to football/soccer, where we collected behavioural and sentiment data from football fans over time, in our service and around social media (mostly Twitter at the time), and had a first glimpse on what could be inferred about individuals just based on very public datapoints they'd produce.

That project opened my eyes, and the paranoia it created in me never really went away, it's a constant thought in my mind about how much data I'm generating for massive companies creating very accurate profiles of who I am: what I like and dislike, what I access, where I am, what I'm doing where I am, every single time I click on a link, a video, etc. I feel a little dread that I provided even more information about myself to machines programmed to crunch through all of this and materialise a view of who I am as a person. Right now it's mostly to serve me ads but the potential that absurd amount of information gathering has in the wrong hands truly terrify me.

The worst part is that there's almost no escape living a contemporary lifestyle, the only way is to engage with anything digital in very, very cautious ways, trying to cover every single trace and track you might leave behind while interacting with any digital product, and that is simply exhausting.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #38

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Iceland? It’s tough. The world is, overall, going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors, and people are voting for it because of incredibly successful propaganda and fear of change.

  going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors
It is the current establishment that is pushing for these laws. Switzerland and EU have proven you don't need authoritarianism to constantly attack privacy and security of people.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consider the implications of AI knowing everything about you, even down to your biometric behavior. Think about the threat of disinformation campaigns targeting democracies. I know my stance may seem weak in terms of ideals, and I feel a bitter regret toward my former self. But shouldn’t we, as humans, try to honor our shared values and act accordingly? I don't understand this train of thought, what exactly are you…

You're right. What I was trying to say is that simply being on the internet today — using AIs, corporate networks, and so on — almost certainly exposes your most personal and unique information (the kind of data that reveals your very identity) to the entities operating those systems. Sadly, I was implying that anonymity is becoming an obsolete concept. Then I tried to think of a law that could help the Swiss governm…

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Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #9

As sad as it undoubtedly sounds (and as if we're already saying goodbye to the utopia), I think this choice might be wiser than we initially thought. Consider the implications of AI knowing everything about you, even down to your biometric behavior. Think about the threat of disinformation campaigns targeting democracies. I know my stance may seem weak in terms of ideals, and I feel a bitter regret toward my former s…

> try to honor our shared values and act accordingly What "shared values"? Most of the values people hold as "important" has people on the other side with the opposite values, and both of those are "correct". There are no "shared values" that all humans agreed upon.

> There are no "shared values" that all humans agreed upon.

Murder is bad?

Stealing is bad?

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Mullvad (VPN) currently is in Sweden.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> try to honor our shared values and act accordingly What "shared values"? Most of the values people hold as "important" has people on the other side with the opposite values, and both of those are "correct". There are no "shared values" that all humans agreed upon.

> There are no "shared values" that all humans agreed upon. Murder is bad? Stealing is bad?

for me and you? sure! for all humans? nope

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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There's nowhere to go, since it's a constant game of whack-a-mole. Small island countries in the Caribbean can brag about super lax laws that aid privacy and evasion but none of them will ruin relationships with US or the EU just to protect a small 10 person privacy focused tech company when a warrants comes from abroad. For reference, Switzerland had to change their banking secrecy laws decades ago due to pressure f…

How about Sealand? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

What about Sealand? They can be all for privacy and freedom, but it’d all amount to nothing if they don’t have Internet connection, and connection is a two way consent, so Sealand is even worse for this purpose than island micro nations.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iceland? It’s tough. The world is, overall, going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors, and people are voting for it because of incredibly successful propaganda and fear of change.

going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors It is the current establishment that is pushing for these laws. Switzerland and EU have proven you don't need authoritarianism to constantly attack privacy and security of people.

I see two big brands of authoritarianism on the rise right now.

One is populist strongman rule, usually but not always of a right wing bent. We have this rising in the US.

The other is technocratic corporatism, the model of China and it seems a faction of the EU.

Both endlessly malign democracy and liberalism as decadent, chaotic, and responsible for an endless parade of bogie men they will protect you against.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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post #26
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Where should I move my domain portfolio? What are the best competitors?

A combination of good pricing, sane behavior and an offering with many TLDs right now is https://www.netim.com , based in France. Their UI is quite outdated, but it works ok. I've switched here after leaving Gandi. If you're fine with a US-based provider, https://porkbun.com/ also has good pricing and a tech oriented mindset. They don't support many ccTLDs though. In general, https://tld-list.com/ is the best place t…

Awesome, thanks! Will be moving this weekend. Infomaniak is dead to me.
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