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The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by lazide »

actionfromafar wrote: post #7
Avshalom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30...

The lack of evidence is evidence. Right. Also, war is peace.

It’s even better - the lack of evidence is apparently evidence they are even more dangerous than those who they have evidence on.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by lazyasciiart »

weaksauce wrote: post #16
jandrese wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is basically that because the deportees had no due process to be deported that no due process can bring them back. The Trump administration claims that they are gang members, but provided no evidence to support this claim, and then refused to work with any members of the judicial system attempting to provide oversight. In any other administration this would be a scandal that rocks the media for months an…

yeah well on thursday he shit the bed on the economy so i guess we've moved on. stupid tariffs are one thing but the extrajudicial deportation and imprisonment is quite a worse thing if unchecked.

They’re still in court. The judge today set a deadline of April 7 for the specific guy “accidentally” deported to return to the US, and seems like there may even be people held in contempt of court (can’t tell how much that’s wishful thinking on my part).

https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-el-salvador-ju...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

Doesn’t fix everyone else who is there, but ugh.

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Post by clipsy »

yieldcrv wrote: post #21
milesrout wrote: post #17

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No party has had 60 or more votes in the Senate for many many years. Which means nothing can pass under the goals of one party. The game is that one party says the measure being presented is unnecessary and redundant and doesnt vote in favor of that law. Rinse, repeat. But yes, the culpability is ultimately on Congress. Its also easy to see why it is gridlocked

The filibuster rule is determined by the senate itself, and could have been neutered at any point. The gridlock is a conscious choice of the senate majority.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by lazyasciiart »

bsder wrote: post #8
Avshalom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30...

"We don't have any evidence, but we just know they are bad people. Because ... reasons ... that we don't have to share with silly plebians like you." Perhaps this sounds familiar ... "While I cannot take the time to name all the men in the State Department who have been named as members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring, I have here in my hand a list of 205." -- Senator Joseph McCarthy

Boy, just think how communist the guys NOT on that list must have been!

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by lazyasciiart »

nitwit005 wrote: post #27
milesrout wrote: post #14

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The powers under the Act don't specify a standard of proof required. It just says: >all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his…

You skipped the bit at the front: > Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/21 Which nation is invading…

And who declared war? Because of course that is reserved to Congress.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by lazyasciiart »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #3
Avshalom wrote: post #2

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=We+suggest+the+Judge+contac...

A quotation from White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, if reports are to be believed; but you should really link to a specific source, e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy73gqq64do . (LMGTFY is the most annoying form of link rot.)

It’s unbelievable that anyone is bothering to argue with their pathetic “it’s another country nyah nyah nyah” stance. The correct response is that ok, everyone involved in getting that plane off the ground and everyone involved in sending money to El Salvador to pay for this program is in contempt of court until the whole plane load returns to the US. The court doesn’t need jurisdiction in El Salvador.

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Post by Baeocystin »

hayst4ck wrote: post #33
morkalork wrote: post #30

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Americans, not content with learning from others' mistakes, will now be learning them first hand. The horrors are just beginning.

Historians, particularly ones who study fascism and Russia/Eastern Europe are already fleeing the country. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-fascism-expert-at-...

Fuck. That is a bleak assessment.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Post by rayiner »

The homicide rate in El Salvador has dropped from 100 per 100,000 to 2.5 per 100,000 in just a decade: https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-.... The El Salvadoran government has literally brought the country to an entirely different level of development, vastly improving the lives of most of the country’s 6 million people. Disorder and dysfunction doesn’t just hurt those who are killed. It’s a tax on the whole country, on the economy, and on kids’ futures. It’s system that beats down builders and cultivators and makes them subservient to the sociopaths.

As someone from a dysfunctional third-world country, the revolution in El Salvador gives me hope that change is actually possible in some of these places. It’s such a slap in the face to see that the only news coverage of this is from privileged Americans who can’t possibly understand what this means for the standard of living in that country. Your ancestors did the hard things (England punished all felonies by death for centuries) so you have forgotten how your lives became so comfortable in the first place.

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