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The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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Massive self-aggrandizing factual error in the third paragraph: It's a life that philosophers have traditionally regarded as nasty, brutish, and short. Um, Jean Jacques Rousseau? Noble Savage? Only a few decades after Hobbes? It may not be relevant to the case being made here, but come on . I remember writing "compare and contrast" papers on Hobbes and Rousseau in high school.

Yes, the basic idea has been re-hashed endlessly: http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm It sort of bothers me that this is getting upmodded--not because it's off-topic, but because it's so painfully banal--every high schooler has already thought these things through completely, just like this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42398

I didn't see the article as a manifesto against industrialism, despite the sensationalist title. Jared Diamond is a researcher, after all - I just found it informative to learn something about ancient societies, without jumping to conclusions from that.

Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that bad a link... it just seems so drastic a change:-/ It seems also to illustrate that the intersection of interesting startup links is very well defined, whereas the intersection of interesting 'hacker news' is rather less well defined, and will probably be more prone to disagreement, even if the people posting are the same ones as with the old yc.news, because our interests and beliefs are likely to be q…

>news interesting to hackers generally. Obviously hackers have found this interesting, but I agree it is on the border of being irrelevant. I think it is useful to use PG's rule of thumb that if it's covered on TV news then it's off topic which I think this is an exception to. I like this new direction that yc is taking, the site was rather boring to me before which I barely frequented until I saw that it changed on…

I think part of what bugs me is that it's also somewhat sensationalist, which is why reddit keeps reposting it.

Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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I can't believe this article was up-voted. What does this have to do with hacking or startups??? I'm a little worried this site will go the way of reddit...

Yeah I agree - this belongs on reddit not the site formerly known as startup news...

There are enough reddits and diggs in the world, if hacker news is going the way of reddit and digg I'll probably pass

Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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post #16

Ok, time for a bit of hand wringing. I said I'd wait a week, but this needs to be pointed out. In the space of one day, we've gone from startup news to rehashed reddit news. http://reddit.com/info/3895/comments Not only that, but the article itself is 20 years old , and is not an attitude I have read in Diamond's later works like 'Collapse', where he certainly underlines the dangers and problems that face the human r…

Great point man.

"In the space of one day, we've gone from startup news to rehashed reddit news."

I love reddit, but I loved the old yc news also. I don't understand how this happens. PG says we're changing focus and all of a sudden people start linking and upvoting different stories??

How is this more interesting to hackers than startup news. I don't understand how a rather top-down decree has changed the output of a definitively democratic system.

Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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This story is only interesting as a historical artifact in itself. It was a nice example of the current "conventional thinking" refuted by that other story yesterday about how England escaped the malthusian trap. Why is this story still here and the newer one gone already? Jared Diamond is very useful in this field, so maybe vote up some of his newer stuff?

Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (by Jared Diamond)

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post #32

Anyone who thinks hunter gatherers had pleasant lives should stop to think what happened to people who were too old to follow the tribe when it moved, or what happened when a mother who was already nursing had another baby.

The good news is that it's hard for a person to care about that once he's dead.
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