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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by brainlet »

diggan wrote: post #23
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

I've been monitoring online discussions with some interest and the complete lack of self reflection in left-leaning US population is interesting. People who were writing very nasty things about Russians too scared to destroy their lives by protesting against a brutal dictatorship not that long ago now sit on their asses and do nothing, because "what can we do?". Maybe at least some of them now understand what it's like. My sincere sympathies in any case, we understand you very well.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by duxup »

paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

SCOTUS also decided that the POTUS is above the law. I think that emboldened them a great deal.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by throw0101a »

nxm wrote: post #25
beardyw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is censorship at work. Call it what it is.

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> Like when Biden administration pressured social media to censor information which turned out to be true?

Did the Biden administration go into the offices of social media companies and purge the posts/data?

Every administration pushes back / pressures entities about messages that they think is wrong. Every administration has a message and story that it wants told. It's what press offices are for, for example. Remember, in 2017, when White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump's inauguration had the largest crowd's in history of inaugurations?

* https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38707722

But this is about purging raw data that is used for analysis, and not a particular story. (The data can be used to support or debunk a particular message of course.)

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by [deleted] »

linuxftw wrote: post #24
bandrami wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think we can all agree that depending on which administration is in charge, "Government Science" is anything but unbiased. Nope, but you've just made it clear you're susceptible to propaganda.

Will you trust the 'science' that is performed via the CDC under the Trump administration? Did you trust the 'science' performed under past administrations? Now, imagine someone holding the reverse position. Who's right? Which government institutions do you find generally trustworthy, and which do you find generally untrustworthy? Has this changed from administration to administration? Do you think your ideological v…

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by fabian2k »

diggan wrote: post #23
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

This is moving very fast, and the sheer amount of chaos they're creating is successfully stymieing the potential responses. The important initial challenges here are the legal ones. And there are already some temporary decisions that should stop some of the blocks on funds.

Now comes the part where we see if the administration abides by those legal decisions or not, and how the final legal decisions here turn out once these cases inevitably land in front of the Supreme Court.

At the point where the administration ignores the courts and laws and continues on with their illegal impoundment, that's the point where you have to protest.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by 9283409232 »

linuxftw wrote: post #29
beardyw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is censorship at work. Call it what it is.

I disagree. This is the government deciding what the government will or won't take a position on. Censorship was having federal government employees scream and yell at facebook content moderation teams to remove social media posts.

The government can decide that but going back and scrubbing data taxpayers already funded is unacceptable. It draws comparisons to book burning.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by RajT88 »

linuxftw wrote: post #29
beardyw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is censorship at work. Call it what it is.

I disagree. This is the government deciding what the government will or won't take a position on. Censorship was having federal government employees scream and yell at facebook content moderation teams to remove social media posts.

I get why they did it, but agree that flies in the face of how the first amendment is viewed by SCOTUS.

The sad thing is, there is precedent how the government could handle the situation. You still cannot say "shit" on broadcast TV.

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