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How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#43

Why don't any of the trains go into New Jersey? That seems like a big wasted opportunity for adding more space that can easily commute into the city.

Because it's the New York City subway.

There are trains that go to New Jersey - the PATH trains, as well as NJtransit commuter trains that leave from Penn Station.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#46
Something here is not quite right. For example, if you look at the 7th ave line (red line/1,2,3) 18th street and 14th street have similar radii.

But anyone knows that 14th street is much more convenient because it's triply serviced by the 1,2,3 with 2,3 being express trains. 18th street is serviced by one train the runs locally. This ignores that you could easily switch to the L, A/C/E, F/M with a short walk.

Still, a cool visualization to show the power of mass transit, and even compare relatively between lines.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#47

Travel times would be much improved by a high speed line. Ie. a route with 4 stops and a travel speed of 100 mph. The finances of railways actually get better with faster trains - because the sooner you can get the person to their destination, the quicker you can get that train serving another passenger.

MTA runs express trains. They don't get up to 100mph, but they skip many local stops along the way. Raising their speed to 100mph would likely not meaningfully increase transit time - you'd maybe shave off a few minutes.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#48

Travel times would be much improved by a high speed line. Ie. a route with 4 stops and a travel speed of 100 mph. The finances of railways actually get better with faster trains - because the sooner you can get the person to their destination, the quicker you can get that train serving another passenger.

You do realize that Manhattan is only 14 miles long? With a stop every 3 miles even a Shinkansen wouldn't reach 100mph before it had to start slowing down again.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#49

It's crazy how dysfunctional the state structure can be - in any functioning country the subway would extend to NJ.

The PATH train does exactly that.

the PATH train is a lousy a replacement. Just look at the connectivity and coverage of NJ vs Queens & Brooklyn:

https://stewartmader.com/wp-content/uploads/Subway-NY-NJ-sca...

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). Which is not only possible, but quite feasible. Upgrading to provide six-minute service 24/7 would only require a one-time investment of $300M, because it is projected to raise enough revenue to pay for itself in the long term. Unfortunately the current governor is trying to cut…

I'm not convinced it'd pay for itself since maintenance still needs to be done so it's not really 6 minutes 24/7. The 7 train in theory runs on weekends and in theory runs fairly often. In practice it's down every other weekend for I think 5+ years now. The MTA does not have a good track record of timely maintenance and also seems to not care much about long term downtime (ie: like their original proposal for a 15 mo…

> The MTA does not have a good track record of timely maintenance

A big part of that is because the MTA has been starved of funding for fifteen years now, to the point where they've had to substitute capital funds for operating funds in an effort to keep the lights on. Maintenance becomes more expensive when it's perpetually deferred - and it just became even more expensive because Hochul's inexplicable last-minute flop in June caused S&P to downgrade the MTA's credit rating, which means all future bonded capital projects will have to waste even more money on higher interest payments.

> (ie: like their original proposal for a 15 month closure of the L line).

That closure was intended to fix damage caused by Hurricane Sandy, and to bolster the tunnels against future climate disasters. The decision to forego the full maintenance (made unilaterally by then-Governor Cuomo as a political move) just kicked the can down the road.

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