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How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Nice effort and just shows you how far the art/science of dataviz has come with the ability of websites to work like realtime game engines.

This is the same information visually expressed in a grid chart from 1983 by Edward Tufte (The Visual Display of Quantitative Information). While the method can't scale the same way it feels like a more creative approach :

https://www.edwardtufte.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/VDQI-...

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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The subway is the big expensive investment. In theory, businesses and housing etc would develop around the stations. Like how suburbs develop around train stations.

And then landowners who were “smart” enough to own land where this ends up going in get to reap all the financial upside, instead of the public which actually invested in that infrastructure. Just imagine if the public could capture the (financial) upside it produces, then it could apply that money to do the same thing down the road, then do the same thing again down the road further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He…

In some countries the transit companies (public or private) also become the landowners of the adjacent areas - this would be the "rail plus property" model.

In fact, the rail plus property model allows the rail operate to better capture their added value, so it applies even in "private" scenarios. The most famous example would be Tokyo.

The goal shouldn't be for the public to be able to reap direct financial benefits from the induced activity around transit hubs, the goal should be to firstly to incentivize and maintain affordable, high quality, sustainable transit, secondly to provide more and better economic opportunities.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Which is why people prefer personal cars whenever possible. Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). If it isn’t that frequent, then I am going to opt for a personal car every chance I can. Using only the subway in Manhattan/some parts of Brooklyn is convenient, but as you stray further, it starts getting tedious.

Mass transit and personal cars aren't necessarily mutually exclusive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit

They are mutually exclusive in the US because space for cars (current US sized cars) means everything is farther apart, which means the public transit is not economical, or lots of walking. And walking is more dangerous for pedestrians due to inattentive drivers and large arterial roads with wide crossings.

The constraints lead to completely opposite designs, which is why only very few, very dense cities in the world have convenient public transit, and they also happen to be inconvenient for personal cars.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why people prefer personal cars whenever possible. Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). If it isn’t that frequent, then I am going to opt for a personal car every chance I can. Using only the subway in Manhattan/some parts of Brooklyn is convenient, but as you stray further, it starts getting tedious.

> Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). Which is not only possible, but quite feasible. Upgrading to provide six-minute service 24/7 would only require a one-time investment of $300M, because it is projected to raise enough revenue to pay for itself in the long term. Unfortunately the current governor is trying to cut…

I'm not convinced it'd pay for itself since maintenance still needs to be done so it's not really 6 minutes 24/7. The 7 train in theory runs on weekends and in theory runs fairly often. In practice it's down every other weekend for I think 5+ years now. The MTA does not have a good track record of timely maintenance and also seems to not care much about long term downtime (ie: like their original proposal for a 15 month closure of the L line).
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