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Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by xnx »

justlikereddit wrote: post #30
vessenes wrote: post #4

This is.. super impressive. I'd like to know how large this model is. I note that the first thing they have it do is talk to agents who can control the world gen; geez - even robots get to play video games while we work. That said; I cannot find any: - architecture explanation - code - technical details - API access information Feels very DeepMind / 2015, and that's a bummer. I think the point of the "we have no moat…

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> the squealing carcass called Gemini

Have you used Gemini? It seems every bit as good as ChatGPT.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by xnx »

k2xl wrote: post #39

This is impressive, but why are they all looking still like a video game? Could they have this render movie scenes with realistic looking humans? I wonder if it is due to the training set they use being mostly video games?

> This is impressive, but why are they all looking still like a video game?

Many of the current AI models have their roots in games: Chess, Go, etc.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

mhld wrote: post #18
bix6 wrote: post #14

Genuine question: What is the point of telling us about this if we can’t use it? Is it just to flex on everyone?

Some kind of marketing strategy that actually nobody understands

It's not that opaque, it's recruitment. Basically same marketing as a univeristy. "We do state of the art research here. If you are a talented researcher who wants to advance the field, you'll want to work here"

Now, how Google plans to make money with all this bleeding edge research, that's the mystery.

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Post by devonsolomon »

Yesterday I laughed with my brother about how harsh people on the internet were about World Labs launch (“you can only walk three steps, this demo sucks!”). I was thinking, “this was unthinkable a few years ago, this is incredible”.

People of the internet, you were right. Now, this is incredible.

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Post by netdevphoenix »

mdrzn wrote: post #6

Wow.. I can't even imagine where we'll be in 5 or 10 years from now. Seems that it's only "consistent" up to a minute, but if the progress keeps the same rate.. just wow.

Progress is not linear. For all we know, in 2027 things will slow down to a virtual halt for the next 30 years. Look at how much big science progressed in the first 20 years of the 19th century/20th century and look how little it has progressed in the first 20 years of this century. We are on the downlow compared to the last centuries and even if you look at crisp or deep learning, they are not as impactful NOW as let's say the germ theory of disease, evolution, the discovery of the double helix structure or general relativity was. Almost a quarter of a century gone and we don't have much to show for it.

For reference:

19th century

evolution by natural selection as science

electromagnetism

germ theory of disease

first law of thermodynamics

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20th century

general relativity

quantum mechanics

dna structure

penicillin

big bang theory

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21st century

crisp

deep learning

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Post by auggierose »

xnx wrote: post #41
justlikereddit wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> the squealing carcass called Gemini Have you used Gemini? It seems every bit as good as ChatGPT.

It is not nearly as good. I tried the free trial and cancelled it before it was over.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

Hey, DeepMind folks, are you listening? Listen. We believe you: you can conquer any virtual world you put your mind to. Minecraft, Starcraft, Warcraft (?), Atari, anything. You can do it! With the power of RL and Neural Nets. Well done.

What you haven't been able to do so far, after many years of trying, is to go from the virtual, to the real. Go from Arcanoid to a robot that can play, I dunno, squash, without dying. A robot that can navigate an arbitrary physical location without drowning, or falling off a cliff, or getting run over by a bus. Or build any Lego kit from instructions. Where's all that?

You've conquered games. Bravo! Now where's the real world autonomy?

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by kypro »

corysama wrote: post #44

For quite a while now David Holz of Midjourney has mused that videogames will be AI generated. Like a theoretical PlayStation 7 with an AI processor replacing the GPU. But, I didn’t expect this much progress towards that quite this fast…

Agreed. All I'd say is that these demos look quite limited in their creativity and depth. Good video games are far more than some graphics with a movable character and action states.

A good video game is far more the world building, the story, the creativity or "uniqueness" of the experience, etc.

Currently this seems to generate fairly generic looking and shallow experiences. Not hating though. It's early days obviously.

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