Live data from Hacker News

The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

icelandmonitor.mbl.is

41–50 of 296 posts

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#41
Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently)

My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling.

In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that the problem will solve itself.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#42
post #32
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reality check. I was worried about how I could be conflating my own personal view as a parent with the popular narrative of "kids these days and their Instagram/TikTok." Probably says a lot more about me, but I vastly prefer the reading experience of a thick book on a phone than as a physical copy. And I have since I was a teenager (and it was just PDAs and clever TI-89 hackery).

I used to read on PDA and then later on Nokia Internet Tablet. But never in school even if I had one where. At those times it was just games(Bejewelled, Space Trader, DopeWars) or graphic calculator software.

> games(Bejewelled, Space Trader, DopeWars) or graphic calculator software

Snake!

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#43
post #10

As essential as smoking ban. I won't be surprised to see this expanded to adult situations

God, I’d love to see the smartphone/no smartphone sections in restaurants.

smartphone-free cafes are starting to pop up [0]

[0] https://www.facebook.com/reel/1041312411329542

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#44
post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

Doomscrolling is not reading. And is the one behaviour above literally any other thing that phones force you into. Their form factor and their apps have converged on the perfect device for "making you keep meaninglessly looking at the device" while reinforcing that behaviour.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#45
It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access.

If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice.

A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in the same place. I can't even do it as an adult, I need to put my phone on the other side of the room if I want to read something proper.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#46

Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently) My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling. In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that…

> t is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media.

disagree; it's the social media that's the problem; the phone just makes it possible to access it at all times

remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time (or, if you're very lucky, they might use them for something productive)

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#47
post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

> a student could be reading a bunch of fiction on their phone It's a nice thought, but I have kids that age and never have I once seen this happen or heard of it happening with any of their friends/classmates; that's not what phones are for according to GenZ/GenA

Man, I love reading, but I simply can't focus on reading a long book on my phone. There are too many distractions, too many urges that are way too easy to satisfy with all sorts of time wasters. So if I, as somebody who reads a lot of books and has been an avid reader since childhood, can't resist wasting time and focus on reading on my phone, then I can't imagine any significant number of kids would be able to.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#48
post #10

As essential as smoking ban. I won't be surprised to see this expanded to adult situations

It should've been expanded into driving a long time ago. There are laws against distracted driving but I still see people weaving around like they're drunk on the roads. When I look into the car they're usually holding a phone (on speakerphone) or holding it up to their ear. People suck at driving enough as it is without driving one handed and distracted.

In addition to the added crashes and deaths caused by mobile phone usage, state and federal leaders should be setting agendas that reduce car usage altogether to prevent deaths and injuries and pivot toward safer and by far cheaper modes of transit.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#49

Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently) My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling. In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that…

Phones are ok as communication devices though, even if it's only "lunch half twelve 2nd floor canteen?" to a coworker. Whether schools need that or not is another question, though "Mum can you check did I leave my maths book on the desk?" via whatsapp seems to be a thing these days.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#50
post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

Speaking for myself (a grown-up) I do read a lot on my phone, but it's almost all "brain junk food" like Hacker News comments :) instead of something which slowly develops a complex idea like a book.
Post reply on HN