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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#41
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> Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to such wonderful encrypted sales platform? Isn't it time to update the law and catch up with tech?

To me, this as ridiculous as saying "Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to the internet?". The genie is out of the bottle, and there is no substitute for good old fashioned (hard) police work.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#42
post #10

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> and social credit systems to top it off. It will happen and we can only postpone it. What social credit systems are you talking about specifically? Maybe I live under a rock, but I haven't heard anything about something like that in EU or Europe.

SCHUFA for Germany. They want to get your bank payments next. If your score is bad (which can be if you live in a neighbourhood which is "bad") you can't get loans or other contracts like for mobile data.

donating to legal yet controversial political parties and associations can have your bank account closed.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#44
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and social credit systems to top it off. It will happen and we can only postpone it. What social credit systems are you talking about specifically? Maybe I live under a rock, but I haven't heard anything about something like that in EU or Europe.

SCHUFA for Germany. They want to get your bank payments next. If your score is bad (which can be if you live in a neighbourhood which is "bad") you can't get loans or other contracts like for mobile data.

But that's not a "social credit" it's literally a credit score

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#45

This could be abused in any number of ways and would probably make people and their precious children less safe in the long run rather than more safe. You can be sure Viktor Orban would use it to crack down on political opposition in Hungary, for example. In the wrong hands, could be used to have these precious children or their parents killed or worse. Authoritarian governments often do things, or threaten to do thi…

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

I'm not here to claim that Orban is anywhere near the level of a "real" dictator in terms of squashing dissent. But consider that one way Orban makes sure to maintain this - indeed significant - majority is to try to silence/discredit voices that go against his narrative. In fact, his party is spending millions of dollars in public funds to finance a continuous stream of propaganda on many channels. On top of this, there absolutely have been a few cases where more sinister tools like surveillance etc. were employed against independent news sources for example. Their newest invention "Szuverenitásvédelmi Hivatal" (= Sovereignty Protection Bureau, idk what the official English name is) is only the latest way to at least try to scare nonprofits/NGOs/news outlets that are in some way opposed to his goals.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#46
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

Yeah, Putin also enjoys a really high approval rating. Quite easy when you control the state media and suppress opposition... which is what the EU is trying to fine Hungary for doing, but Poland kept blocking it. Source: https://europeanlawblog.eu/2024/07/01/evading-the-european-m...

FWIW the pervious Polish government modeled its state capture after Hungary quite openly. They quite miraculously lost the elections after a major mobilization (historic attendance of over 74%), and have now been stripped of funding due to illegally using state funds during their campaign in 2023. This was possible in Poland because, unlike Hungary, Poland still had free (non-state) mainstream media, and not for the lack of trying.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#47
Sure, but will it this time include all politicians, state officials and others who are "special". If no, then GTFO. It's a good litmus test to check the actual goal instead of the terrorism/save the children/drugs excuses.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#49
post #47

Sure, but will it this time include all politicians, state officials and others who are "special". If no, then GTFO. It's a good litmus test to check the actual goal instead of the terrorism/save the children/drugs excuses.

For me, they can GTFO in any case. Some EU law won't make "special" people comply with it or be punished for not doing so.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#50
MHO: Patrick is too trigger happy in his updates and HN is all too happy to crap-stir as much as possible

That being said, he can probably get a copy of the document if he asks the right people.

> Originator: Presidency

Also let it be known that everybody is pissed at Hungary at the moment (I mean, ok, this is kinda constant, but even more now)

Same caveats apply here: this has to go through Parliament, a lot of people is against it, then this is against EU fundamental law, etc

(but yeah this BS does get annoying)

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