The decaf process seems expensive so you might expect the end result to cost more, but it never does. Which means either the producers are making less profit on decaf, or they are using lower quality beans. If the latter is true, which seems more likely, that might explain why decaf sometimes tastes less good, separately from the effect of the process itself on taste.
A chemist explains the chemistry behind decaf coffee
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I suspect that when you buy decaf beans from a roaster they don't aren't the ones decaffeinating the coffee beans. I think roasters have a lot less choice when buying decaffeinated beans so I bet your theory is correct.
There are two main decaf plants, one in Vancouver and one in Mexico. The Mexican one is supposedly superior in taste, but the majority is processed through Vancouver with the Swiss Water plant. https://www.swisswater.com/blogs/sw/swiss-waters-new-decaffe...
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#43I'd like to talk a bit more about the cheapest and most common process here. They state that ethyl acetate is below the FDA limits and therefore safe. For a start ethyl acetate is still pretty bad but it's not the cheapest. Another common solvent not mentioned here is Dichloromethane. It's a pretty clear cancer causing agent https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/pr8k9v/til_s... You know what else is a solve…
Please don't spread misinformation. Benzene was the original solvent used 120 years ago in Germany when decaf was first invented. It did not last long as the dangers of benzine became apparent. There have been several generations of solvents used in the over one century since then and benzine has not been a part of the decaf world in a very long time.
> Don't drink decaf.
There is no reason not to drink decaf and recent studies have found it to be just as beneficial as normal coffee for antioxidant properties. Coffee in moderation is good for you, caffeine or not.
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I'm not sure what your standards are, but I'm not sure if this is even possible. I drink Stumptown which I grind at home for my espresso machine -- their caffeinated Hair Bender blend in the morning, and then in the afternoon I'll often have their decaf Trapper Creek (Swiss water process) on the days I don't need an extra jolt. It tastes perfectly great to me. Maybe my palette isn't refined enough. But decaffeination…
The gold standard for this in sensory analysis is a triangle test — which I happen to have done with coffee from Ninth St Espresso, who sells a regular and substantial identical decaf. We brewed 3 identical batches (where 2 were the same beans and the 3rd was the other bean). In an office with ~12 tasters, the ability to pick out the “different” beans was 33%… ie random chance. If the above sounds confusing, consider…
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#45Personally, I've found the CO2 method to have a lot more flavor than the Swiss Water. I also found the CO2 beans don't deteriorate as quickly as the Swiss Water beans.
Re: A chemist explains the chemistry behind decaf coffee
#46The decaf process seems expensive so you might expect the end result to cost more, but it never does. Which means either the producers are making less profit on decaf, or they are using lower quality beans. If the latter is true, which seems more likely, that might explain why decaf sometimes tastes less good, separately from the effect of the process itself on taste.
After all, we don't really make synthetic caffeine, we extract it from tea and coffee and add it to a lot of things.
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#47I love decaf but the main problem is how fragile the stability of the beans are. They go bad quickly. To get the same cup of decaf coffee every day requires more work if you are grinding your own and making espresso. Still, I love them. Personally, I've found the CO2 method to have a lot more flavor than the Swiss Water. I also found the CO2 beans don't deteriorate as quickly as the Swiss Water beans.
I literally yesterday bought my first bag of decaf and mixed them with my regular beans. I need to sleep more, and reducing caffeine intake is the low hanging fruit.
Decades of habits around buying and using normal beans are about to be replaced, and this comment is already helpful.
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#49I love decaf but the main problem is how fragile the stability of the beans are. They go bad quickly. To get the same cup of decaf coffee every day requires more work if you are grinding your own and making espresso. Still, I love them. Personally, I've found the CO2 method to have a lot more flavor than the Swiss Water. I also found the CO2 beans don't deteriorate as quickly as the Swiss Water beans.
How quickly is quickly? I literally yesterday bought my first bag of decaf and mixed them with my regular beans. I need to sleep more, and reducing caffeine intake is the low hanging fruit. Decades of habits around buying and using normal beans are about to be replaced, and this comment is already helpful.
Mixing half decaf with regular beans is a great idea, I've been doing that for years. The mix of flavors is good too, if you are brewing filter. You can get away with a lot more when you do filter.
Re: A chemist explains the chemistry behind decaf coffee
#50I love decaf but the main problem is how fragile the stability of the beans are. They go bad quickly. To get the same cup of decaf coffee every day requires more work if you are grinding your own and making espresso. Still, I love them. Personally, I've found the CO2 method to have a lot more flavor than the Swiss Water. I also found the CO2 beans don't deteriorate as quickly as the Swiss Water beans.
What I also then noticed was that a lot of the coffee houses here use an inferior grinder for their decaf, smaller burrs, and/or the older hopper based grinder vs on-demand for their regular beans. No wonder it gets a bad rep.
Anyway I was quite amazed to suddenly find myself enjoying decaf so much.