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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by rty32 »

I have been using a Samsung S24 series phone for a few months, with "circle to search" and Gemini-powered Google Assistant. I have used circle to search about three times, and disabled Google Assistant.

I know that a "power user" can get much more out of these tools than me, but I still can't imagine what people would use that for, especially on a phone. People use their phones taking calls, watching TikTok, sending messages, not getting answers. "Turn on the light" thing works well enough in the old assistant. Which makes me wonder whether all those things Apple advertised make much different in that ecosystem.

(btw it seems that the Samsung/Google AI stuff never got as much coverage as Apple's thing?)

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by pjc50 »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

If it is a pop how can Big Tech walk it back? Am I overreacting here or have companies like Google and Microsoft pimped out their reputations in an irreversible fashion?

Not like you have a choice? Reputation for those two is kind of irrelevant.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by dag11 »

cogman10 wrote: post #27
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is a pop how can Big Tech walk it back? Am I overreacting here or have companies like Google and Microsoft pimped out their reputations in an irreversible fashion?

How did big tech walk back crypto, ML, Web 2.0? They really don't need to walk back anything. If the features are too expensive to support and ultimately unused, then they'll just quietly kill them off. Otherwise, it'll just be another feature in the feature lists. Not something that really buys anything but also not something making them a lot of money.

I'm struggling to think of any mainstream big tech products that incorporated crypto at all. Besides some financial apps adding an additional tab for it.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by [deleted] »

thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by bee_rider »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

If it is a pop how can Big Tech walk it back? Am I overreacting here or have companies like Google and Microsoft pimped out their reputations in an irreversible fashion?

Yeah, I think you are probably overreacting. Microsoft and Google already have sort of bad reputations anyway, but they haven’t actually done anything that widely hurt customers yet with this AI stuff. If it doesn’t work out, it will just be a silly R&D project from the public’s point of view.

Or they’ll use it to make stuff like Cortana (or whatever they are calling it now) slightly less useless.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by throwaway9143 »

GJim wrote: post #34
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

> I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates) Hallucinates? I'd use the term 'bullshits' when it doesn't know the right answer. This makes it a dangerous thing to trust.

People bullshit all the time, convincingly. Somehow, we get by.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by hu3 »

fh9302 wrote: post #28
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #6

I felt invoking the original Macintosh tagline "For The Rest of Us" to describe what feels like a hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls and some aesthetically tasteless diffusion models particularly strange. Not to mention the reveal was extremely strange and almost felt like they were not releasing anything at all for the first 15 minutes before they showed it in action, almost felt very self conscio…

Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI at all. Siri and writing tools can tap into ChatGPT to compose text, e.g. create a story but that requires approval from the user. Claiming that all Apple did was "hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls" is a misrepresentation of what Apple showed.

I think you disagree with yourself? How is Apple AI not using ChatGPT if Siri uses ChatGPT? You said it yourself. Heck, Apple said it themselves.

The fact that there is a prompt asking for permission doesn't change that. Maybe some parts of the AI in iPhone don't use ChatGPT but others do, as advertised.

> Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI at all. Siri and writing tools can tap into ChatGPT to compose text, e.g. create a story but that requires approval from the user.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/06/introducing-apple-int...

"chatgpt" has 26 mentions here. And the title of the relevant part is:

"ChatGPT Gets Integrated Across Apple Platforms"

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by j16sdiz »

cogman10 wrote: post #27
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is a pop how can Big Tech walk it back? Am I overreacting here or have companies like Google and Microsoft pimped out their reputations in an irreversible fashion?

How did big tech walk back crypto, ML, Web 2.0? They really don't need to walk back anything. If the features are too expensive to support and ultimately unused, then they'll just quietly kill them off. Otherwise, it'll just be another feature in the feature lists. Not something that really buys anything but also not something making them a lot of money.

Funny you put crypto on the same list with ML. (and I guess you meant Web 3.0, not 2.0)
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