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Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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Note incidentally that I'm talking about the performance of the IPO, not the performance of Facebook itself. I think Facebook as a company is in a strong position. The problem is simply that Mr. Market ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligent_Investor ) doesn't think so at the moment.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Facebook as a company is in a strong position. Just curious, but I'd like to hear your opinion on why this is the case, vs all the naysayers that are betting against the company now. Do you have any specific point you find that Facebook can leverage to maintain success?

I don't think they've even tried to make money yet. They've just been focusing on growth. But they have so many users now that they could do whatever they want. Ideas that would entail a chicken and egg problem for anyone starting from scratch (e.g. marketplaces) do not for them. Plus Mark himself is such a fearsomely effective person. And so young; he's only a little older now than Larry and Sergey were when they st…

Do you own any Facebook stock?

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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This happens every couple of years in tech. I've personally witnessed 3 downturns now. One was real and two were arguably the best time to start companies. Raising money might be harder, but generally only for bad companies.

Three? 2001-2002 was basically nuclear winter in my experience. 2008-2009 wasn't actually that bad except outside tech (although, I was in Iraq and Afghanistan during all of it). Before that, you'd have to go to early-1990s, when I was...12, and some HN readers weren't born.

I was thinking of 2001-2002 (genuine downturn) and then separately 2003-7 (great time to invest - e.g when I invested in Skype). Obviously 2008-ish (RIP good times) was the 3rd. Maybe I shouldn't have called them "downturns" but instead "depressed VC periods".

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Facebook as a company is in a strong position. Just curious, but I'd like to hear your opinion on why this is the case, vs all the naysayers that are betting against the company now. Do you have any specific point you find that Facebook can leverage to maintain success?

I don't think they've even tried to make money yet. They've just been focusing on growth. But they have so many users now that they could do whatever they want. Ideas that would entail a chicken and egg problem for anyone starting from scratch (e.g. marketplaces) do not for them. Plus Mark himself is such a fearsomely effective person. And so young; he's only a little older now than Larry and Sergey were when they st…

But I think, its now going to be all the more tough for them to figure out how to improve their ARPU dramatically, as they don't have the benefit of obscurity.

For example, even slight change to the feeds, like inserting what vaguely seems like an Ad, raises a huge uproar from people.

In contrast Google had got Adwords figured out (but it was not as widely known) before their IPO.

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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post #32

So here is an idea for an email feature/gmail plugin: 'Semantic Scramble' Basically, any sensitive email that you send to a bunch of people is automatically scrambled (retaining original meaning/correct grammar, just a small shuffling of words) so that each person gets a unique email. Easy to find out who leaked it. You could add a similar unique jitter for sensitive photos/images...

Considering PG didn't strike down the story I presume to think he expected it to leak out or didn't ask it to remain confidential.

Re: "Semantic Scramble", this was/is used quite successfully in a university course I tutored. Students are supplied with Java code featuring a unique comment style (/ * */). So many students blindly copied code out of another student's assignment and submitted it as their own that we could effectively generate a map of the plagiarism without even looking at the code -_-

For images steganography would work easily enough and for "semantic scramble" see "Practical Linguistic Steganography using Lexical Substitution"[1] from EMNLP 2010 =]

[1]: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sc609/pubs/emnlp10frannie.pdf

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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post #22

Note incidentally that I'm talking about the performance of the IPO, not the performance of Facebook itself. I think Facebook as a company is in a strong position. The problem is simply that Mr. Market ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligent_Investor ) doesn't think so at the moment.

> I think Facebook as a company is in a strong position. Just curious, but I'd like to hear your opinion on why this is the case, vs all the naysayers that are betting against the company now. Do you have any specific point you find that Facebook can leverage to maintain success?

I think many people misinterpret the IPO crash. It's not that the market thinks Facebook is a weak company, or in a weak position. I don't think there are many financial analysts that would say Facebook as a business is on the decline (a la RIM). The return was simply not worth the price at the previous valuation.

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they've even tried to make money yet. They've just been focusing on growth. But they have so many users now that they could do whatever they want. Ideas that would entail a chicken and egg problem for anyone starting from scratch (e.g. marketplaces) do not for them. Plus Mark himself is such a fearsomely effective person. And so young; he's only a little older now than Larry and Sergey were when they st…

Do you own any Facebook stock?

I think YC got a small amount as a result of an HR acquisition, but I'm not sure.

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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I read this with a heavy heart, especially after working at Facebook before my current startup. Facebook is an amazing company with some of the best people in Silicon Valley working to make Facebook a once-in-a-generation company. But if Google debuted at $25b, and grew into a $200b company, how can Facebook grow by a similar multiple starting at a $100b valuation? In my opinion, opening at $38/share sucked all the o…

I think the thing that people need to remember is that Facebook really only IPOed because the had too. If Google had tried to wait things out as long as Facebook did, then it's quite possible that it would have IPOed near $100b (Sep 2005) and grown to the $200b they are at today.

The money that was there to be made in the Facebook IPO was made before Facebook went public in the secondary market. For professional investors that are getting in at the seed round until the C round or so, Facebook isn't indicative of a problem. Those investors can still make money, it's just that they are going to exit via secondary markets now instead of an IPO.

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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So here is an idea for an email feature/gmail plugin: 'Semantic Scramble' Basically, any sensitive email that you send to a bunch of people is automatically scrambled (retaining original meaning/correct grammar, just a small shuffling of words) so that each person gets a unique email. Easy to find out who leaked it. You could add a similar unique jitter for sensitive photos/images...

Generally in high security environments, you don't transmit sensitive information on systems where you're one button (intentional or accidental) from sending the information to the public.

Clearly labeling every instance of the information with how sensitive it is also helps (per page or per paragraph).

It's unrealistic to build a separate semi-airgapped network for most business purposes, but email is broken for sensitive information -- some kind of document room/DLP/etc. system is probably a good idea.

Re: Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they've even tried to make money yet. They've just been focusing on growth. But they have so many users now that they could do whatever they want. Ideas that would entail a chicken and egg problem for anyone starting from scratch (e.g. marketplaces) do not for them. Plus Mark himself is such a fearsomely effective person. And so young; he's only a little older now than Larry and Sergey were when they st…

Do you own any Facebook stock?

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