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Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore. While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.

I just realized I have no clue who the CEO of Google is.. They are literally a faceless corporation to me.

At least Microsoft and Apple have some identity with Tim and Satya.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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I'm just nit picking, but all your email on one end at least is probably going to end up to a google system anyway lol.

Yeah, but by leaving gmail, Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you. Also, in most cases, the other end an email isn't a gmail user but a corporate bot. So Google may actually not have all your emails if you move away from it.

> So Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you.

I suspect they share data with a belligerent with its murder victim chooser algorithm, so you might drop "digital".

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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Here in the UK the minimum wage act was introduced in 1998. It was sold to the public as a way to stop employers abusing employees by under paying them and to prevent slave wages. Constantly stating the so called "sweat shops" (the clothing manufacturing factories) in the north of England employing foreign and illegal workers and paying them a poultry £2 per hour. What really happened was this: Early on it was quite…

nah

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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post #21

Here in the UK the minimum wage act was introduced in 1998. It was sold to the public as a way to stop employers abusing employees by under paying them and to prevent slave wages. Constantly stating the so called "sweat shops" (the clothing manufacturing factories) in the north of England employing foreign and illegal workers and paying them a poultry £2 per hour. What really happened was this: Early on it was quite…

There is nothing wrong with minimum wage regulations, but they aren't enough on their own. What is also needed are strong unions that fight on behalf of the workers to make sure wages are higher than the minimum (plus everything else that unions do for workers).

That only helps those with strong unions. Those with strong unions are often hugely overpaid (train drivers in the UK for example - one reason are trains are expensive).

THose in a weaker position with regard to striking (easily replaced, no short term loss or employers who are better off absorbing it, large numbers of small employers rather than one or two big ones...) cannot benefit as much.

Laws that treat everyone equally are far better.

The best solution would be UBI.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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post #20

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It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly. Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem? Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem? By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business". Do you t…

Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

The assertion was that "running a business with paying customers" is A-Ok.

The counter example was of businesses that aided in war crimes.

The question posed was whether "business trumps all as long as it pays" is an absolute or whether there are qualifications depending on the type and application of paying business.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

#46
post #5

Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore. While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.

I shifted to Fastmail because people here tend to recommend it and I wanted less google in my life. Two things I didn’t expect was a better web UI and better spam filtering. On top of that I can write to human support and they are both responsive and seem knowledgeable.

I agree with you on the UI, but left Fastmail and went back to Google workspace because of Fastmails poor spam filtering. 1-2 pieces of spam were hitting my inbox daily. On Workspace it's 1-2 a month.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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post #44

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There is nothing wrong with minimum wage regulations, but they aren't enough on their own. What is also needed are strong unions that fight on behalf of the workers to make sure wages are higher than the minimum (plus everything else that unions do for workers).

That only helps those with strong unions. Those with strong unions are often hugely overpaid (train drivers in the UK for example - one reason are trains are expensive). THose in a weaker position with regard to striking (easily replaced, no short term loss or employers who are better off absorbing it, large numbers of small employers rather than one or two big ones...) cannot benefit as much. Laws that treat everyon…

Who says train drivers are overpaid?

Their median salary is £59,000 and considering their responsibilities that seems fine to me

Anyone who complains train drivers are overpaid is always free to retrain as one

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.

You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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That only helps those with strong unions. Those with strong unions are often hugely overpaid (train drivers in the UK for example - one reason are trains are expensive). THose in a weaker position with regard to striking (easily replaced, no short term loss or employers who are better off absorbing it, large numbers of small employers rather than one or two big ones...) cannot benefit as much. Laws that treat everyon…

Who says train drivers are overpaid? Their median salary is £59,000 and considering their responsibilities that seems fine to me Anyone who complains train drivers are overpaid is always free to retrain as one

That is comparable to the lower range of aircraft pilots salaries, which require far more skill and training and far greater responsibility: https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/airline-pilot

it is higher than train drivers are paid in other European countries: https://www.dw.com/en/german-train-drivers-earn-less-than-yo...

It is far more than than a nurse earns.

> Anyone who complains train drivers are overpaid is always free to retrain as one

And anyone who complains CEOs are over paid is free to become one too, in theory.

I do not want to retrain as a train driver, but many people in occupations that are more skilled (such as nursing) would make more money if they did so.

Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms

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That article says the casualty numbers coming out of Gaza are generally legitimate, and it says ~3,000 children were killed as of October 2023. For a March 2024 casualty update, ~13,000 children killed seems, sadly, plausible.

Yes, you should condemn Hamas for putting them in peril! They just need to keep their soldiers and weapons away from the children instead of using them as meat shields and banking on their supporters like you to help them with the information war.
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