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Cheating in academia is the perfect crime. Cheaters conducting studies on cheating. If you don’t know a if system is consistent and you ask it to determine if it’s consistent. Brilliant!

But it should be possible for a system to prove its consistency, right?

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I do sometimes wonder if the same attributes that puts people at their top of their fields is the same atribute that makes them more willing to sacrifice their integrity for prestige... It seems like this just happens too frequently (or maybe it just appears that way because these are media reported).

> or maybe it just appears that way because these are media reported When thinking about it more, I think that is also highly likely. It many of these cases the most "famous" author is the last one on the paper, but is the first to be highlighted in the media. That is, oftentimes the work was just done in their labs but they did little more than review. But there is such pressure for those toiling in the labs to make…

They know and if they don't they should not be a co-author.

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I've been thinking about how with the rise of LLMs, we're going to uncover A LOT of "bad studies" over the next decade. Could be some sort of mass reckoning. Probably better to admit it all now than be uncovered in 5 years.

how would LLMs help with uncovering "bad studies"? I don't think LLMs are yet sophisticated enough to figure out potential plagiarism or Adobe Photoshop copy-and-paste (as mentioned in the article above).

Well you can train AIs to uncover image fraud and detect manipulation that is well known (imagetwin does this).

Presumably the same can be done for tabular data and genomic or "omics" data. At the very least statistical techniques can be used. I imagine high throughput imaging modalities will be the main target.

That being said the only way the -omics data will have utility is via AI models which are trained on some task... which present their own problems..

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Imagine this is the selector, the great filter, of who gets to thrive in a field. One department head who publish faked/made-up papers, poisons the whole surrounding environment, killing science in his environment for 10 years. Now imagine the whole field poisoned, where it takes some outlying independent research institute, detached from the field to bring up evidence to bring the cartel down. Science should have more of these "outside" field quality check stations, that bring down fraudsters. No original research there, just reproduction of experiments central to theories and vital to the name of those leading the field.

Re: Harvard Teaching Hospital Seeks Retraction of 6 Papers by Top Researchers

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how would LLMs help with uncovering "bad studies"? I don't think LLMs are yet sophisticated enough to figure out potential plagiarism or Adobe Photoshop copy-and-paste (as mentioned in the article above).

Well you can train AIs to uncover image fraud and detect manipulation that is well known (imagetwin does this). Presumably the same can be done for tabular data and genomic or "omics" data. At the very least statistical techniques can be used. I imagine high throughput imaging modalities will be the main target. That being said the only way the -omics data will have utility is via AI models which are trained on some…

The OP paper is easily handled by GOFAI from the 1980s; it's just detecting similar images.

You don't need a language model. The effort is in collecting and chopping the data to find snippets to compare. NNs can help with that.

Re: Harvard Teaching Hospital Seeks Retraction of 6 Papers by Top Researchers

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I've been thinking about how with the rise of LLMs, we're going to uncover A LOT of "bad studies" over the next decade. Could be some sort of mass reckoning. Probably better to admit it all now than be uncovered in 5 years.

I would prioritize looking for financial and corporate fraud. It would have a much bigger impact on society than looking for any problems with academic studies. If we can take down those people and bar them from ever having anything to do with finance in the future, I think that would have an important impact on the ethics and behavior of the next generation.

These researchers work for corporations too.

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I suspect the only way to fight this is to make the papers freely available so anyone can look at them for flaws and dishonesty.

A libertarian such as yourself should be comfortable with people running an academic fraud detection business, paying for access to papers, and accepting payment for their investigations. Recent events at Harvard show that plenty of interested parties are willing to pay to prove that their opponents in some arena are cheating. Also MrBeast and the rest of YouTube shows that otherwise unprofitable activities can be profitable when presented in an entertaining way for ad views.

Re: Harvard Teaching Hospital Seeks Retraction of 6 Papers by Top Researchers

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Why is it that with elites it's always "we lack incontrovertible evidence of bad behavior, so we can't take substantial disciplinary action", but never "we lack an incontrovertible evidence of good behavior, so we can't give an elite position and massive pay for another year"? Meanwhile, regular common folks can be executed by police by transient circumstantial whims.

The higher the stakes, the lower the standards.

Re: Harvard Teaching Hospital Seeks Retraction of 6 Papers by Top Researchers

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I'm not sure what direction of causation you have in mind but as someone in academics (tenured professor etc) I think the answer is definitely yes. One thing that should be setting off alarm bells now is how often these scandals in the last couple of years have involved people who are in very high-level administrative positions at these institutions. Not only because of the values that might be instilled downward in…

If you take incentivation to the extreme, look no further than the publishing criteria for academic positions in China. https://www.nature.com/articles/463142a

I can't trust that research until it's published in a more trustworthy journal than Nature. ;-)

Crazy that Nature published a article highlighting fraud concerns about Nature's own publications, but Nature has no plans to reduce that fraud.

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I'm not sure what direction of causation you have in mind but as someone in academics (tenured professor etc) I think the answer is definitely yes. One thing that should be setting off alarm bells now is how often these scandals in the last couple of years have involved people who are in very high-level administrative positions at these institutions. Not only because of the values that might be instilled downward in…

> I have a theory that as some indicator of success deviates from a normal tail, there's more likely to be corruption or luck involved. And/or abuse, coercion, and exploitation of others.

In relation to both the quoted sentence and your addition, I have seen speculation that where once "being in the clergy" was esteemed and attracted predators and psychopaths seeking cover, today that attraction is toward a position in science work as cover.
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