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LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

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Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

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post #11

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I get significantly cheaper electricity at night ($0.12 vs > $0.50/kwh, stupid California). Being able to schedule saves money, not that WiFi is necessarily required.

Did you check how much power your washer uses? Mine uses 0.4 kwh so you'd be saving 15.2 cents per load. Not really worth the hassle IMO.

The dryer is more interesting

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally with you, except a notification that it's finished would actually be really helpful. It's apparently possible to track a washing machine's progress with a smart switch that monitors power draw; I've got one lying around so might try to implement that soon, to complement my hacky RPi-Ring-doorbell-announcer :)

My Miele washer and dryer send me notifications when done.

That is, I think, the only valid use case. I have an AEG washer that does some voodoo to decide wash times and only shows the estimate at the start, then it weighs the clothes, looks at how dirty they are and so on. The washer is two floors down and I never know when it’s actually done. As a side note, I think my washer is “smart” ready, meaning it has all the electronics already in and the panel has the lights already installed, just that it’s not activated because a didn’t pay another 100 euros for it.

I guess another use case would be measuring water and energy consumption but I doubt that people paying top dollar for these appliances are the type to keep an eye on such things.

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#43
3.7GB seems like a lot, but modern appliances are highly efficient, a lot of those bits just circulate between the laundry and the router to cool down between wash cycles ... people just don't understand how much data they use when hand washing clothes, sloshing gigabytes down the drain...

(after https://twitter.com/meekaale/status/1744807035454079079 )

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#44

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Siri set a timer for *looks at washer screen* minutes That's it. But tbh wish my smart speakers would learn all the appliance chimes instead.

My dryer timer is reasonably accurate, but on my washing machine the last two minutes are like the last two minutes of a football game.

Yep - ours seems to take 0-10 minutes longer than it predicts at the start.

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#45
post #38

Why hasn't anyone mentioned a botnet yet? Those devices are perfect targets for Mirai clones. (yes, you still cannot run a mailserver at home, currently because we live in the age of Internet of Shit).

This was the first thing that came to mind. Imagine a fleet of laundry machines each sending 3.7GB of data. That's the perfect way to run a DDOS, and nobody will ever notice.

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#46

> In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool.” Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their apps. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.

My Ubiquiti UniFi UDM is not good at device identification. It's kind of annoying because I have this big list of devices on the network and it's peppered with devices that I know don't exist. I'd appreciate it if it said something like "Maybe iPad Air", instead of just "iPad Pro 2nd Gen" when I know no such device is on my network.

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#47
post #12

I'm not opposed to smart homes, I love being able to turn my lights on and off from across the room. But I don't know if I understand the use case for a networked washing machine.

When I was in college, the machines in my dorm building’s laundry room would send you an SMS when the cycle finished. It was super handy, and would be awesome to have if your home is multi-level (or the machine is tucked away where no one can hear it scream)

So we have three laundry rooms here where I live, and they were all managed by CSC ServiceWorks until recently. When I first moved in, CSC had an amazing system setup, whereby you could go to their website and see a real-time animation of all the machines in the room, their current status, and their remaining time. This page updated very rapidly and always showed accurate information, including any machines that were out of service.

Therefore, it was very easy for me to put together some laundry loads, and then navigate to that website and see exactly whether I'd be able to go downstairs and start my loads immediately, or how long I'd need to wait until machines were freed up for my purposes.

Then they enshittified it. They took away the central payment kiosk and installed individual card readers on each machine. These card readers had some unholy mix of Bluetooth and WiFi on them and the new app was completely incompatible with the Android tablet I had at the time. Apparently it was mandatory to have both Internet and BT access before you could even start a machine anymore. To add insult to injury, they deprecated the public status website and walled up the status reports inside the app. In fact, you couldn't even get a report until you'd paid to start one of the machines, thus invalidating my old strategy of proactively checking for availability.

Then there was a protracted battle between landlady and CSC whereby there were many malfunctions and accusations about whose responsibility it was. The pandemic struck, and there was some third-party disinfecting service that was supposed to be sanitizing machines, but left huge gobs of lint and detritus behind them all anyway.

Eventually it came to a head, and the landlady severed their contract with CSC and brought in a new service company. They have apps and cash preloading and whatever and you know what? I stopped using the laundry room entirely. Now I bring my clothes to a Wash & Fold service, and have it professionally cleaned, because doing laundry is too strenuous for me anymore. Problem solved!

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#48
post #30

I'm not opposed to smart homes, I love being able to turn my lights on and off from across the room. But I don't know if I understand the use case for a networked washing machine.

I have a smart plug on my washing machine and dryer which I use to try and identify when the cycles have finished. It doesn't work great, I'd much prefer a direct API to send a notification when the machine says it's actually finished.

You can buy smart vibrations sensors for that. No vibrating should mean it’s done, unless it lets the clothes soak- I have no idea, washed clothes hundreds of times but I’ve never looked to see what the washer actually does

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#49
post #16

Well it's still better than a Chinese robotic vacuum cleaner with a bunch of cameras doing it.

iRobot, the robotic vacuum cleaner company that leaked photos of people on the toilet as viewed from the vacuum cleaners' cameras, is an American company. If I'm not mistaken they grew out of MIT.

That's rather cherry-picked.

The information you left out:

1. Those were test units, not purchased devices used by customers.

2. For consumer Roomba devices that include a camera: photographic data is not sent to iRobot for processing.

3. The test data for the images you mentioned was leaked by a 3rd party based in Venezuela.

4. These test devices were operated by employees and volunteers in exchange for rewards. They were aware that their image was being taken.

5. The devices also contained additional monitoring hardware attached to the device which is not present in the consumer models.

If anything this fiasco demonstrated:

(i) one of the weaknesses of outsourcing,

(ii) individuals taking part in testing should be mindful of their privacy,

(iii) test units should have user-purgeable test data (if this was not already included)

(iv) the importance of reading beyond a headline

Refs: (1) https://www.businessinsider.com/roomba-photos-recorded-bathr...

(2) https://homesupport.irobot.com/s/article/31056

(3) https://homesupport.irobot.com/s/article/964

Re: LG washing machine sending 3.7GB of data a day

#50

I'm not opposed to smart homes, I love being able to turn my lights on and off from across the room. But I don't know if I understand the use case for a networked washing machine.

I have an LG Washer/Dryer with smart functions.

As others have said, the notifications are useful, but you can also track the wash/dry cycle and see what it's done so far, what is left and the estimated remaining time.

I like it because the smart features are optional and are genuinely useful.

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