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Re: Minimum Wage Clock

#41

I mean have a conversation about the wage gap sure but know that these numbers are not meaningful as it regards the US.

> When I was a teenager, I worked as a fast food cook and got paid $6.51/hr. The minimum wage where I was at the time: $6.50. This was probably so they could claim that they "paid above minimum wage" in their marketing to potential employees. Based on this experience hearing that "no one is paid the federal minimum wage" is not very convincing to me.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

#42
this doesn't really have the intended effect on me, at least out of all the tools in the field of comparing-wealth-visually.

by the time I finished reading the text, the US minwage clock was at 10c, and in the time it took me to get to this sentence, it's half a dollar, an amount I certainly wouldn't object to for a few minutes of effort.

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#43
CEOs at least in theory do some labor for their (totally obscene) pay. Stockholders get paid without doing a thing.

Not to say that there's anything reasonable with the wage inequality. Rather that the situation is probably worse than you may think.

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#44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

c) the minimum amount required to live peacefully and with dignity.

This is generally why I'm in favor of a UBI. It would solve so many employment problems if an employee in a bad situation could up and leave without a near-guarantee that they lose access to their home.

I agree with this. Adding arbitrary limits and thresholds just causes strange effects elsewhere. If you remove the absolute need to accept whatever job is available then you have the ability to properly negotiate what salary is worth it to you.

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#45
post #23

People like to talk about inequality but absolute poverty seems like a more important target. Satya Nadella having more money than me doesn't make my life worse; I'm more concerned about the availability of jobs, food, housing, etc. That said, CEO salary does strike me as strange. Who needs 8 million per year + stock? I'd think more CEOs would voluntarily take a pay cut.

This is very not true since many (most) things we spend money on are in limited supply. I can make what I think is good money, but if remote FAANG workers decide to settle nearby then I suddenly can't afford a house. Same for automobiles after COVID, meat at the market, etc.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

#46
Huh. So looking at the numbers, this comparison came to mind:

In the time it takes someone working minimum wage to make enough to afford a single $0.25 gumball, Sundar Pichai makes enough to afford an Apple Vision Pro ($3500) plus tax.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

#47
post #23

People like to talk about inequality but absolute poverty seems like a more important target. Satya Nadella having more money than me doesn't make my life worse; I'm more concerned about the availability of jobs, food, housing, etc. That said, CEO salary does strike me as strange. Who needs 8 million per year + stock? I'd think more CEOs would voluntarily take a pay cut.

> Satya Nadella having more money than me doesn't make my life worse; Are you sure about that? What if he spends that money supporting political figures and economic policies that make your life worse?

following this line of logic would mean that /anyone/ having more capital than you is evidence of wrongness, including social capital.

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#48

I mean have a conversation about the wage gap sure but know that these numbers are not meaningful as it regards the US.

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Where did you get this data?

And, out of curiosity, what percentage of people are within, say, $0.50/hr of minimum wage?

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#49
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

c) the minimum amount required to live peacefully and with dignity.

While it's repeated ad nauseam, this was the intended purpose of the minimum wage, as quoted by FDR who signed the minimum wage into law: “It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, th…

It seems to be another case of naïve, clumsy legislation causing more problems than it solves.

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post #20

The minimum wage should be scrapped. It either a) prevents people who are happy to work for less obtain a job which is uneconomical at the minimum wage, or b) it creates an effect similar to communism, where everyone doing a job at or below a certain value gets paid the same, no matter what the value of their work is. This leads to the higher quality workers reducing their output, as they are only getting the paid th…

> people who are happy to work for less I wonder where are these people. Do you know any? Would you be "happy" to work for less than minimum wage? > it creates an effect similar to communism Sure, gommunism is when minimum wage. Most of Europe is in fact gommunist today, while its bourgeoisie gets richer and richer by the year.

In my experience, most minimum wage jobs are awful; tedious, boring, and often with a lot of physical exertion. Add to that the fact that you're unlikely to be treated with much respect by your supervisor or the public (if applicable).

I'd wager that the number of people who are truly content doing this work as opposed to a higher-paying job is effectively zero. That is to say, a number of people so low that it is irrelevant.

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