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In other words, Apple wants to control who enters their garden. Not surprised and not sure I disagree. Why is it that Beeper, or anyone else that isn’t Apple gets to decide who uses iMessage?
>Why is it that Beeper, or anyone else that isn’t Apple gets to decide who uses iMessage? Beeper doesn't decide that, it only enables.
I've asked this 3 times across the various threads on this, and have yet to get a 100% confirmed "you are right" answer because I don't know the specifics and I haven't come into anybody who has taken the time to research the answer: When you log in to iMessage and the various underlying protocols/services, you do it with an Apple ID. Is that Apple ID tied in a one-to-many (but you need at least one) fashion of regis…
I've asked this 3 times across the various threads on this, and have yet to get a 100% confirmed "you are right" answer because I don't know the specifics and I haven't come into anybody who has taken the time to research the answer: When you log in to iMessage and the various underlying protocols/services, you do it with an Apple ID. Is that Apple ID tied in a one-to-many (but you need at least one) fashion of regis…
A database isn't enough. They'd also need a way for that device to attest its identity to Apple, and serial numbers can be relatively easily copied (or sometimes even brute-forced).
This should be possible for newer devices using Apple's own chips, but I believe that at least non-T1/T2 Intel Macs lack any such capability.
> Why don't they check "is this device sitting on a shelf un-sold or does it belong to this account, activated"?
How would they know this? I highly doubt that every retailer in the world reports sold devices' serial numbers to Apple.
HN comments: they took steps to protect their users.
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> If it isn't, why doesn't Apple do this Not sure if there would be any real benefit in that. Consider the over-abused Macs at university campuses as an example, used by 10s-100s of persons/day, each potentially logging in with their own user ID. Suddenly their ID is tied to a legit HW, if it wasn't the case already. Of course, technically, Apple could ban the IDs or these computers... but why would they?
I think you're right -- You piqued my curiosity with your example, though. 10-100s of people logging into the same Mac with their Apple ID? Is that possible? I thought there was a 1:1 mapping of, say, Apple ID signed into ID : *NIX account. Does OS X have something more ephemeral these days? That would be fantastic for shared computing.
I was able to log in to any of the Macs in the computer rooms on campus at my university using my regular Unix username and password.
UIDs go as high as 2 billion on macOS as well (they're signed 32 bit integers), which should fit even the largest institutions even without aliasing of local UIDs to directory server names.
I've asked this 3 times across the various threads on this, and have yet to get a 100% confirmed "you are right" answer because I don't know the specifics and I haven't come into anybody who has taken the time to research the answer: When you log in to iMessage and the various underlying protocols/services, you do it with an Apple ID. Is that Apple ID tied in a one-to-many (but you need at least one) fashion of regis…
> If it isn't, why doesn't Apple do this Not sure if there would be any real benefit in that. Consider the over-abused Macs at university campuses as an example, used by 10s-100s of persons/day, each potentially logging in with their own user ID. Suddenly their ID is tied to a legit HW, if it wasn't the case already. Of course, technically, Apple could ban the IDs or these computers... but why would they?
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> " The question is why the customers don't give Apple and its pathetic excuses the middle finger- and instead praise the wisdom of the company and whine about Android users not buying iPhones " Likewise, Android users "whine" about being not let in an use all sorts of logical fallacies to make their case. The solution, which the rest of the Android and iOS using planet has come to, is to simply use another cross pla…
Everyone uses phones. One phone manufacturer shouldn't be able to ostracize customers of every other phone manufacturer, punish them, and deliberately cripple the experience for its users. > Android users whine about being not let in an use all sorts of logical fallacies to make their case Name 5.
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The question is not why Apple should give access to their messaging system to third parties- they have the full right of doing whatever they want. The question is why the customers don't give Apple and its pathetic excuses the middle finger- and instead praise the wisdom of the company and whine about Android users not buying iPhones. This in the face of a perfectly clear example of Apple making the life of its own c…
I give Apple a good amount of my personal money every year precisely because Apple works well with Apple, and because when you switch on all the features like Advanced Data Protection and Lockdown Mode their vertical integration across hardware, software and services gives them a strong security story. I have Signal and WhatsApp for talking to people on other platforms, and I’m personally fine with Apple maintaining…
I, as a mostly happy Apple customer, would lose absolutely nothing and in fact gain quite a lot of convenience if Apple were to allow an Android iMessage client.
Sure, running servers isn't free, nor is spam moderation and servicing law enforcement data access requests, but I'm convinced that if they actually wanted to do this, they'd find an agreement that works for every stakeholder financially in no time. This really is exclusively about Apple's bottom line.
iMessage is just about the only form of communication that I’ve NEVER received any spam through. I get spam SMS all the time and spam calls all the time . I get spam emails 24/7, and even spam DMs on any social media platform that has DMs. There is no iMessage spam. Apple has it tightly controlled and locked down. I can kinda see why Apple wants to preserve their ecosystem. But also, there are so many other options i…
There actually is — I get it regularly, despite keeping my phone number relatively private.
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Everyone uses phones. One phone manufacturer shouldn't be able to ostracize customers of every other phone manufacturer, punish them, and deliberately cripple the experience for its users. > Android users whine about being not let in an use all sorts of logical fallacies to make their case Name 5.
Android users or fallacies?