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Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jtheory »

LinXitoW wrote: post #3

I'd like to know what solution those that are critizing Kickstarter offer. After all, banning an IP is close to pointless.

It's important to remember that deterrents that can be circumvented is not the same things as pointless deterrents.

That's sort of like saying that security by obscurity is pointless -- certainly it's NOT pointless, and banning IPs (like security by obscurity) will work in many cases, and should not be ignored as techniques.

They aren't the solution, but can be part of a multi-pronged approach.

For trolls/stalkers that know how to get past an IP ban, I do like hellbanning, accompanied with a strict written policy of "don't feed the trolls".

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jasonlotito »

SuperChihuahua wrote: post #38
jasonlotito wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fix what? Going by what we know , someone has made a claim without anything to back it up. Should we encourage groundless accusations? I'd like to think members of HN would be a bit more intelligent about this sort of thing. Let's try to be a bit more rational about this and not just grab the torches and pitchforks.

Read the emails inserted in the post so they are not groundless

I just got an email from Rachel:

Jason,

Rachel Marone here. You know it's me and valid because it's in italics, and that makes it true. Anyways, everything I posted on my blog is a lie. Just wanted to say that.

Honestly,

Rachel Marone

Well, we can go home now.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jasonlotito »

illumen wrote: post #40
jasonlotito wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't negate what I said, nor does it change the emotional response in comments above. People are assuming KickStarters guilt already without anything more than a blog post. Furthermore, I don't believe a company, or anyone, should be held to respond to every claim thrown at them. To prove a negative. Do not assume that I support KickStarter if the allegations are true. I just don't think it's reasonable to as…

The Kickstarter corporation is big enough and bad enough to stand up for itself without anyone having to attack the victim.

Who is attacking the victim? I'm asking for proof, not suggesting anything else. And I'm not defending KickStarter. I'm defending HN from those who would ignore reason and intelligence in place of emotion and ignorance.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by [deleted] »

jasonlotito wrote: post #25
alexandros wrote: post #2

Kickstarter, if you care about your reputation, fix this and make sure it never happens again.

Fix what? Going by what we know , someone has made a claim without anything to back it up. Should we encourage groundless accusations? I'd like to think members of HN would be a bit more intelligent about this sort of thing. Let's try to be a bit more rational about this and not just grab the torches and pitchforks.

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Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by facorreia »

jasonlotito wrote: post #34
djmdjm wrote: post #26

If this is true, then Kickstarter just handed over editorial control to anyone who can write a spambot or with a little patience.

Not true. Again, if the post is true, the requirement would be also for the person to then engage in a discussion with the spammer. We don't know the details regarding that, and will never know. If you are being harassed, report it. Not sure about you, but if I saw a spammer on my site, and saw two users discussing things back and forth behind the scenes, I might draw the conclusion they are in collusion. The OP is,…

It says a whole lot more than that: http://rachelmarone.com/sample-page/

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jasonlotito »

facorreia wrote: post #46
jasonlotito wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. Again, if the post is true, the requirement would be also for the person to then engage in a discussion with the spammer. We don't know the details regarding that, and will never know. If you are being harassed, report it. Not sure about you, but if I saw a spammer on my site, and saw two users discussing things back and forth behind the scenes, I might draw the conclusion they are in collusion. The OP is,…

It says a whole lot more than that: http://rachelmarone.com/sample-page/

> a narrative full of chaos, trend-starting, performance art, social commentary, and philosophical discussion

Yeah, and the more I read, I realize how easily what I said above could be true. Still, I have no proof, and await it.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by nhannah »

I wrote to kickstarter this week to alert them of what was either a scam or an over confident 3d modeler. I and others on reddit pointed out a bunch of flaws in the cost of creating the product described at the given goal. It was a minimum of 3X off. Kickstarter wrote back to tell me in so many words that it is the users job to not be taken advantage of, all I could think is "yup you get your 10% no matter what so why care." Truely let down from a company I really liked.
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