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Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by cubefox »

chrismorgan wrote: post #36
cubefox wrote: post #20

Obligatory to also mention the historical Cistercian digits, which used an in-digit encoding to create a base 10000 number system: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cistercian_digits_(v...

Doesn’t feel entirely fair to call that base-10000. Practically, it’s just base-10 with an idiosyncratic and mandatory ligation scheme involving mirroring, and only defined for 0001–9999 and not 0000 for some reason (though it’s obvious how zero should be represented).

Still, the graphical complexity per "digit" is not much higher than of a latin letter.

Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by o11c »

entaloneralie wrote: post #31

In the same order of idea, Proquints are identifiers that are readable and pronounceable. In "Pronounceable Identifiers", Daniel S. Wilkerson proposes encoding a 16-bit string as a pronounceable quintuplets of alternating consonants and vowels as follows. Four-bits for consonants, and two-bits for vowels: 127.0.0.1 lusab-babad 63.84.220.193 gutih-tugad 63.118.7.35 gutuk-bisog 140.98.193.141 mudof-sakat 64.255.6.200 h…

That first example's b-b is an immediate blatant problem, especially since h is a valid terminal. With unfamiliar words, there will also be problems with j/g/k. b/v/f, t/d, etc.

The one thing this does better than bibi is that it avoids the "E" which confuses English speakers.

Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by mablopoule »

ahamez wrote: post #18

For the non-French people here: Bobby Lapointe is also a quite famous singer who loved plays on words, quite difficult to translate!

Yes, and another reading on the pun not explained in the page, on top of 'bibi' meaning 'me', is that 'bibine' (present in the prononciation of 'bibinaire') is French slang for alcohol.

Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by tetrazine »

klyrs wrote: post #39
tetrazine wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I also think that the alphabet leans too far in the direction of making the symbols distinct, and not enough in the direction of making them transparently interpret-able as binary - which is the unique aspect of a special binary notation like this and should be emphasized. I sketched some alternatives here: https://i.imgur.com/7MZs4ji.png

The bibi-symbols are quite bad for those of us with dyslexia, because mirror variants are so common. Yours are actually worse for that; every rotation of every symbol is present! Serifs could help.

Yeah, that makes sense. Given your account, it sounds like the 2D paradigm of the bibi-symbols (which I'm following) is fundamentally bad for interpretability with dyslexia, because it results in a lot of symmetries.

Even when considering the population of people without dyslexia, I can't think of examples of vernacular human alphabets that have many pairs of distinct symbols that are identical under some symmetry. So maybe symmetry is an alphabet design antipattern.

Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by scotty79 »

Kaktovik numerals are quite nice for hex as well.

They are 5 based starting from one so there are nice symbols for 5, 10 and 15 digit. Not binary though.

Re: Bibi-binary

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Post by tangus »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #35
tangus wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually a really practical set of operators.

Can you elaborate? TIA

The shape of the operators visually shows how the function works. It also has some nice visual properties as

A and B -> A d B

not A and B -> flip horizontally: A b B

A and not B -> flip vertically: A q B

not A and not B -> rotate: A p B

etc...

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