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Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by logicchains »

DaveFr wrote: post #39
logicchains wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely a pro-war position to fight defending _another country_ from an invader, a country that isn't even an ally.

The US isn't at war in Ukraine, we're not fighting there. Nobody who's actually anti-war looks at Russia's invasion and says "oh that's fine let it happen", everyone supports the right to defend yourself.

The US is sending crazy amounts of money over there while average Americans are seeing their living standards get worse and worse. Grassroots republicans want Ukraine to fight their own war with their own money, not keep sending money over their while Americans go hungry.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by logicchains »

Arnt wrote: post #40
logicchains wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely a pro-war position to fight defending _another country_ from an invader, a country that isn't even an ally.

Well, in this case the war was started by someone else, with neither aid nor encouragement by anyone American. Acting to help one of the fighting parties win doesn't seem noticeable "pro-war", AFAICT, it's just a question of how the war ends, as opposed to other possible ends of the same war.

The US is sending billions of dollars over to fund the war, which McCarthy supported and grassroots republicans opposed, that's why he was ousted.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by swsdsailor »

theshrike79 wrote: post #6
cocacola1 wrote: post #2

Welcome to the clown show. 15 ballots in January for this. Republicans need to get their house in order. Its embarrassing. Or, at least, it should be. First time in history the Speaker’s been ejected like this.

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Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by DaveFr »

logicchains wrote: post #41
DaveFr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US isn't at war in Ukraine, we're not fighting there. Nobody who's actually anti-war looks at Russia's invasion and says "oh that's fine let it happen", everyone supports the right to defend yourself.

The US is sending crazy amounts of money over there while average Americans are seeing their living standards get worse and worse. Grassroots republicans want Ukraine to fight their own war with their own money, not keep sending money over their while Americans go hungry.

So then we're not worrying about the "anti-war" position anymore, alright. I mean, grassroots Republicans elected Reagan who beat the Soviets and Bush who wanted to "fight them over there so we don't face them here", they're certainly comfortable with spending money on the military. They haven't historically wanted to spend that money on welfare though, so I'm not sure that Americans are going hungry because of Ukraine.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by readthenotes1 »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #11

Wasn't Gaetz the one that took underage girls across state lines? Is this the guy Republican's want to follow?

There wasn't enough evidence to bring any charges. Apparently, the witnesses weren't credible enough.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it, but doesn't mean he did.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by EA-3167 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #8
cocacola1 wrote: post #2

Welcome to the clown show. 15 ballots in January for this. Republicans need to get their house in order. Its embarrassing. Or, at least, it should be. First time in history the Speaker’s been ejected like this.

They either need to make peace with the Democrats and lose their primaries in 2024 to total MAGA nutjobs, or make peace with the MAGA nutjobs and lose the Biden districts in 2024. Either way, they lose the House in 2024. Making peace with the Democrats would allow them to retain some dignity, but after 2016 that's not been a high priority for them. So I expect the clown show to continue.

The things they needed to do to avoid this scenario are all in the past, they're in the "Find Out" phase of the program now. Going with the Southern Strategy, then amping it up over and over, the chicanery around W.'s election, and then throwing it all in on Trump and the Tea Party.

These were all choices that set the stage for this meltdown and loss, and now it's too late to both win AND persevere.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by tzs »

zzzeek wrote: post #30
azinman2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only solution is for Republicans to start working with Democrats across the isle and just ignore the clowns. That was the reason given for his ousting.

all Democrats voted against him, so he certainly didn't "work with the Democrats" by their measure. basically he made friends with noone. the next speaker should be a little more careful

azinman2 is talking about the recent deal to avoid a government shutdown, which got 209 Democrat votes and 126 Republican votes.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by cocacola1 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #29
cocacola1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a representative government, so in a way, we’re all clowns here.

Only those who voted for the morons that can't keep a government actually running.

Fair enough.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by bryanlarsen »

DaveFr wrote: post #44
logicchains wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is sending crazy amounts of money over there while average Americans are seeing their living standards get worse and worse. Grassroots republicans want Ukraine to fight their own war with their own money, not keep sending money over their while Americans go hungry.

So then we're not worrying about the "anti-war" position anymore, alright. I mean, grassroots Republicans elected Reagan who beat the Soviets and Bush who wanted to "fight them over there so we don't face them here", they're certainly comfortable with spending money on the military. They haven't historically wanted to spend that money on welfare though, so I'm not sure that Americans are going hungry because of Ukrai…

The GOP spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan but billions for Ukraine is too expensive.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by mcphage »

tootie wrote: post #4

His speakership was hanging by a thread from day 1. I don't see any path to a new Speaker so long as the Freedom Caucus are intent on watching the world burn.

> I don't see any path to a new Speaker so long as the Freedom Caucus are intent on watching the world burn.

Well, there’s always reaching across the aisle.

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