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Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:11 PM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #6

cocacola1 wrote: post #2

Welcome to the clown show. 15 ballots in January for this. Republicans need to get their house in order. Its embarrassing. Or, at least, it should be. First time in history the Speaker’s been ejected like this.

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>The only solution is for Republicans to start working with Democrats across the isle and just ignore the clowns.

Those "clowns" actually represent the views of the republican voter base, not donors in the military-industry complex. A decade ago democrats would have been celebrating an anti-war win like this, but now roles have swapped and democrats have become the party of the warmongers.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by 0xDEF » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:12 PM UTC

The anti-NATO pro-Russian wing of the Republican party becoming increasingly dominant sends a worrying message across the Atlantic especially to the Baltic countries.

Honestly at this point I don't see any other option than the Baltic countries developing nuclear weapons.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by timeon » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

qclibre22 wrote: post #24

timeon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US has two-party system. You can't have 3rd party with First-past-the-post and Electoral College.

Electoral college is not first past the post.

You have maybe missed word and I used between those two. Because my post was not clear enough that I was talking in general about both presidential and congress elections.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by xeromal » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:14 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #21

xeromal wrote: post #12

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I'm somewhat in agreeance. I don't want a government that's in such lockstop that everything passes.

Most of Europe happens to work just fine under that model.

That's why I said I and not in the second person. I'm not interested personally.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by DaveFr » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:16 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #31

theshrike79 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>The only solution is for Republicans to start working with Democrats across the isle and just ignore the clowns. Those "clowns" actually represent the views of the republican voter base, not donors in the military-industry complex. A decade ago democrats would have been celebrating an anti-war win like this, but now roles have swapped and democrats have become the party of the warmongers.

It's not anti-war for a country to defend itself against an invader, and Democrats have been and are still against wars of aggression.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by hotpotamus » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:18 PM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #7

cocacola1 wrote: post #2

Welcome to the clown show. 15 ballots in January for this. Republicans need to get their house in order. Its embarrassing. Or, at least, it should be. First time in history the Speaker’s been ejected like this.

Politics is a clown show for me period - both sides. I like the chaos. The government that governs best is the one that governs least - so I’m always rooting for shutdowns, gridlock, automatic spending cuts, etc.

I'd be amused if we just sent the border patrol and military home. I suspect that would be a bit too small government for a lot of people.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

DaveFr wrote: post #35

logicchains wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The only solution is for Republicans to start working with Democrats across the isle and just ignore the clowns. Those "clowns" actually represent the views of the republican voter base, not donors in the military-industry complex. A decade ago democrats would have been celebrating an anti-war win like this, but now roles have swapped and democrats have become the party of the warmongers.

It's not anti-war for a country to defend itself against an invader, and Democrats have been and are still against wars of aggression.

It's absolutely a pro-war position to fight defending _another country_ from an invader, a country that isn't even an ally.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by xeromal » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:23 PM UTC

0xDEF wrote: post #32

The anti-NATO pro-Russian wing of the Republican party becoming increasingly dominant sends a worrying message across the Atlantic especially to the Baltic countries. Honestly at this point I don't see any other option than the Baltic countries developing nuclear weapons.

Yeah, from an American perspective, I wouldn't take comfort in continued support from the US to save Ukraine and others. There's a good chance funding will dry up in 45 days.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by DaveFr » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #37

DaveFr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not anti-war for a country to defend itself against an invader, and Democrats have been and are still against wars of aggression.

It's absolutely a pro-war position to fight defending _another country_ from an invader, a country that isn't even an ally.

The US isn't at war in Ukraine, we're not fighting there. Nobody who's actually anti-war looks at Russia's invasion and says "oh that's fine let it happen", everyone supports the right to defend yourself.

Re: Kevin McCarthy ousted as speaker in Republican-led House

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Post by Arnt » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #37

DaveFr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not anti-war for a country to defend itself against an invader, and Democrats have been and are still against wars of aggression.

It's absolutely a pro-war position to fight defending _another country_ from an invader, a country that isn't even an ally.

Well, in this case the war was started by someone else, with neither aid nor encouragement by anyone American. Acting to help one of the fighting parties win doesn't seem noticeable "pro-war", AFAICT, it's just a question of how the war ends, as opposed to other possible ends of the same war.