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The High Cost of Free Parking (2005)

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I really want to know what 5D chess went on to make put "livable cities" and "urban planning" on the truther, red-pilled, plandemic, crowds hit list. It is something that should be examined and critically discussed thats not what i'm talking about I'm talking about how suddenly people who have never so much as listened to an episode of 99PI before or showen any interest are suddenly passionately saying livable cities…

Fear sells

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I really want to know what 5D chess went on to make put "livable cities" and "urban planning" on the truther, red-pilled, plandemic, crowds hit list. It is something that should be examined and critically discussed thats not what i'm talking about I'm talking about how suddenly people who have never so much as listened to an episode of 99PI before or showen any interest are suddenly passionately saying livable cities…

Conspiracy theory culture is a parody of itself. Sidewalks, safe ways to cross the street, and legalizing apartments increase freedom. It gives you the choice of not having to drive just to cross the street safely. Certain charlatans make money selling outrage culture, or harvest votes exploiting fear about a certain lifestyle coming under attack.

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Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

Which places?

I've lived without a car in London and San Francisco and it's been fantastic.

I lived without a car in Mountain View and it was pretty awful.

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Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

I think "Just about anything" within a 10 minute drive is probably not a carefully considered standard. Can you name a specific place in which you think this standard obtains?

I think the only way to think objectively about this sort of thing is with a very careful analytical framework. Think about the amenities you need, and how you acquire them, and then really -measure-, rather than just "think back" about the burden of acquiring them. Not many people live 10 minutes from their work, for instance. Google thinks the average is just under a half hour each way.

If you try to analyze the number of jobs within of a particular domicile, it's my expectation that you'll find more, not fewer, options in urban setting. I reccomend https://app.traveltime.com/ as a way to tinker with your expectations there. Toss a 10 minute drive around your town. You might be surprised at how modest that span is.

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The city center in many European cities does not have street parking of any sort, private cars are largely or entirely banned, and they are some of the most livable, walkable, and vibrant urban areas.

That's because most of those cities were built up before cars existed, and even horse-drawn carriages were a luxury for the few.

Many American cities on the other hand have grown up with the car, with wide streets dividing neighborhoods, and essential facilities scattered far away from one another. Reducing car usage in a typical American city (not downtown Manhattan) is not just a matter of banning cars or replacing them with public transportation. The city itself needs to be redesigned in a more compact way. Property values will skyrocket in the CBD, and crash everywhere else.

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Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

Yeah, I live in the Melbourne CBD and it's great. I don't even need to cross a street to access all essentials.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whispers: cars are the cages.

Cars are cages that keep you from moving through traffic jams, but they're also exo-skeletons that imbue super speed, envelope you in a bubble of condition air, and shield you from the dangers of other vehicles.

It’s a prisoner’s dilemma of having to buy ever bigger cars to keep up with the crash safety arms race. (Bigger cars fare worse in single car collisions).

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Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

> Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. Example? Us in New York are going by fine taking the train or biking, and if we really need a car we call a cab or an Uber, and that we have to pay extra makes us really think if we need that car or is that just us being lazy. I won't ever understand the joy of punting…

Similarly, being car-less in Chicago is the way to go. Even pre-Uber it was far better — it can take an hour to find a parking space in certain neighborhoods at certain times.

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Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

Which places? I've lived without a car in London and San Francisco and it's been fantastic. I lived without a car in Mountain View and it was pretty awful.

Yeah, I've lived in London and New York (not in the suburbs of either) without a car and there was multiple of everything within a short walk, and huge amounts of stuff (literally thousands upon thousands of things to do) everywhere in less than half an hour on the train. It was and is great.

Not sure which cities the person you're replying to is talking about. I imagine a lot of American cities just suck without a car, even if they "have" public transportation.

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