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The High Cost of Free Parking (2005)

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Re: The High Cost of Free Parking (2005)

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Post by midoridensha »

m463 wrote: post #23

Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

Yeah, I moved to Tokyo from suburban US. It's great here. Far more convenient than living in America.

What kind of crappy places did you live where having a car wasn't possible, yet there was no decent public transit?

Furthermore, living in the built-up suburbs of a large metro in the US, not much was within a 10 minute drive. Sure, the grocery store was, and some shitty chain restaurants, but that's about it. Everything else was much longer because of traffic.

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Post by diob »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #28
m463 wrote: post #23

Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

What are some examples of such car-free places?

Right, I visit cities outside the US and almost no one I have met has a car or wants one.

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Post by [deleted] »

jj999 wrote: post #27
Gigachad wrote: post #16

Imo, street side parking in cities should just be scrapped. It makes no sense for the public to pay so much money to allow people to park particular kinds of private property for free. Pushing all parking on to businesses own lots or in dedicated parking facilities would let the market adequately price parking rather than externalising the cost.

In my building, there are 40 units... and 6 parking places in the basement. Most of the city is this way. Street side parking is the only way to go. TBH I prefer trees and grass over parking lots. I would not change it.

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Post by totetsu »

userbinator wrote: post #3

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I really want to know what 5D chess went on to make put "livable cities" and "urban planning" on the truther, red-pilled, plandemic, crowds hit list.

It is something that should be examined and critically discussed thats not what i'm talking about

I'm talking about how suddenly people who have never so much as listened to an episode of 99PI before or showen any interest are suddenly passionately saying livable cities are a way to control us.

Who benefits from the propagation of this idea? Is there just someone out there trying to bring about the end of humanity as fast as possible by making people crazy about any thing remotely sensible? Or is this just some discursive collateral damage coming from some ideological battle going on somewhere else where livable cities became one of the front lines, and the bull-shit psyops ideas leaked out every via the internet..

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Post by lokar »

m463 wrote: post #23

Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

I lived in Manhattan without a car. It was great. There was like 3 of every kind of thing within a short walk.

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Post by xnx »

mperham wrote: post #6
userbinator wrote: post #3

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Whispers: cars are the cages.

Cars are cages that keep you from moving through traffic jams, but they're also exo-skeletons that imbue super speed, envelope you in a bubble of condition air, and shield you from the dangers of other vehicles.

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Post by c-cube »

m463 wrote: post #23

Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

> you couldn't and it wasn't

What are you talking about, millions of people do it and live without cars in cities. I did it for years in Paris and it's not a "smaller life" — the main things that are smaller are your transportation budget and stress levels.

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Post by jjallen »

Arainach wrote: post #30
Gigachad wrote: post #16

Imo, street side parking in cities should just be scrapped. It makes no sense for the public to pay so much money to allow people to park particular kinds of private property for free. Pushing all parking on to businesses own lots or in dedicated parking facilities would let the market adequately price parking rather than externalising the cost.

Per-business lots are incredibly inefficient. They have to optimize for peak demand or lose sales during crucial peak seasons - when was thr last time you saw a Walmart parking lot full? They make it more difficult to visit multiple stops in one trip. Instead of parking downtown, going to an appointment and grabbing lunch I have to move my car in between those trips, generating more emissions and waste.

> when was thr last time you saw a Walmart parking lot full?

Sounds like they could make them much smaller

> They make it more difficult to visit multiple stops in one trip. Instead of parking downtown, going to an appointment and grabbing lunch I have to move my car in between those trips, generating more emissions and waste.

A general, private garage is an existing possible solution to this problem.

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Post by DrDroop »

m463 wrote: post #23

Sometimes when I hear discussions like this, I can't help but think back to several places I've lived or stayed where using a car was not possible. It sucked. Yes, living in the exact center of a bustling city should be efficient - you should be able to walk everywhere for all your needs and it should be efficient. But the reality was that you couldn't and it wasn't. It took a tremendous toll on your time and the eff…

I've lived as a foreigner in a big metropole in Australia and I fell that all places that I could go where tourist traps. Simple life hacks like buying groceries for a week was impossible, the closest cheap grocery store was too much of walk and too hilly for a bike loaded with bags. I do agree that cars make the city worse for the people living there, but I am not a fan in how cities limit your lifestyle. People that live in the city are sometimes blind to this and don't understand that someone might prefer to live another life.
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