Imagine if the study said the opposite. HN would praise it and the thread would be filled with positive anecdotes. No questions asked. But now when it goes against the popular narrative everyone does everything to discredit it. Classic HN behavior.
Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
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Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
yeah... but the likelihood that you have a high BMI because you're just so jacked is low. It's not perfect, but it's a good metric.
I'm firmly in the 'overweight' category based on BMI, at 15% bodyfat, and I wouldn't classify myself as jacked. I have a bit more lean muscle than most from cycling but definitely not a 'gym body'.
Yeah, I'm 'overweight'. I run a lot and generally in pretty good shape. But I could absolutely lose 10-20 lbs of fat. Just because you're a little overweight doesn't mean you're unhealthy.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#43Correlation vs causation is particularly problematic in studies where people may be trying to change the result under study
"I skip breakfast, so I am overweight."
or
"I am overweight, so I skip breakfast."
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#44Imagine if the study said the opposite. HN would praise it and the thread would be filled with positive anecdotes. No questions asked. But now when it goes against the popular narrative everyone does everything to discredit it. Classic HN behavior.
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Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
yeah... but the likelihood that you have a high BMI because you're just so jacked is low. It's not perfect, but it's a good metric.
It’s really not a good metric. It’s incredibly noisy. “Are you fat” isn’t something that needs a noisy metric. And it makes analyses messy when bmi is used as a measure of fatness.
Are you maybe hoping for a metric of general healthiness? Measuring body fat accurately on your own is tough. Most people know their height and can find a scale to use so you can get a rough idea of what bucket you're in. It's good for most people. If you're working out and pretty athletic idk why you'd stress about your bmi being a little high.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#46IMHO, anything to do with Body Mass Index (BMI) is fake science. Ironically, this writeup is also from nih.gov: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930234/
BMI is literally just correcting weight for height. That's it. What other methods should researchers use?
For one thing, it does a terrible job for tall people.
https://www.fatcalc.com/bf lists several alternatives, along with their estimated accuracies. BMI is the least accurate method short of taking a wild guess.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#47I will bet on the usual confounding variables when it comes to lifestyle study. Highly likely that eating late at night means coming home late, probably due to working late which probably means a more stressful life. Sadly they are controlling for a chokingly low amount of variables so we will never know.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#48It seems like there are a lot of breakfast skippers on HN that don’t like the correlation.
Worrisome to be sure.
I knew skipping breakfast (and often dinner too) had little effect on weight, after years of that habit.
What did work? Riding my bike on a week-long river-to-river 500 mile bike ride in Iowa this summer! That was a blast, I got stronger and I also lost a few pounds.
Not for everybody I know.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#49Imagine if the study said the opposite. HN would praise it and the thread would be filled with positive anecdotes. No questions asked. But now when it goes against the popular narrative everyone does everything to discredit it. Classic HN behavior.
Please don't put words in other people's mouths. It lowers the level of conversation, and adds nothing new.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#50Where did the apparent baseline hypothesis that breakfast skipping was bad originate from? They even use it as a keyword.
Why is breakfast so holy?