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Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by bdcravens »

phpisthebest wrote: post #10
cptcobalt wrote: post #8

It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

Like with many things the goal may be bipartisan, but how to get there will not be Republicans will reject any funding methods that add to the national debt, or taxes businesses Democrats will reject any funding methods the come with strings attached to reduce or pull funding from other programs, or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" So with such an impasse nothing will get done

> Republicans will reject any funding methods that add to the national debt, or taxes businesses

It goes deeper than that. Much of the narrative rejects the validity of claims, or files solutions in the "woke" category, to be fought out of principle.

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Post by tombert »

purpleblue wrote: post #35
tedivm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" Your bias is showing a bit there.

As someone who was a life-long liberal, but worked their ass off to become a 1%er, I 100% believe that the Democrats are using people like me as scapegoats and it makes me furious. I worked and studied when my classmates or coworkers were partying, made good choices, and now I enjoy a nice life because of it. But now all of a sudden, because I make over $400,000 I "don't pay my fair share of taxes", according to Eliz…

So because some people were mean to you, you just changed all your values about gay marriage, climate change, social welfare, etc?

Honestly I actually don't like the "tax the rich to make them pay their fair share" narrative either because it implies that taxes are what pays for the social programs, which is reductive at best (at least with current US monetary theory). I don't make more than $400,000/year [1], but I have traditionally done pretty well in total comp, and I still vote left because I my viewpoints don't change just because some people were to demonize me.

Also, wasn't Elizabeth Warren's "pay their fair share" tax for people making like more than $10 million?

[1] I actually make $0/year right now due to layoffs.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by kelipso »

robbywashere_ wrote: post #12
cptcobalt wrote: post #8

It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by Conscat »

chollida1 wrote: post #39
robbywashere_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Flouride doesn't need conspiracy theories to be considered dangerous. That debate is definitely going on and has no consensus as evidenced by the fact that some cities are still removing flouride from their water and some are adding it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6195894/

There is no evidence that fluoride is remotely dangerous in reasonable quantities, only in ridiculous quantities that are impossible to reach under normal circumstances.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by wyclif »

_throwaway882 wrote: post #31

Does anyone have a whole home, or under the sink water filter they'd recommend?

There is a user on this site that commented recently on installing one. The problem is I can't remember what thread it was or what his username is, or even what the name brand of the system he installed was.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by orangepurple »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #29
robbywashere_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think it's just 2 sides of the same coin. Fluoride is an actual chemical, and the Alex Jones "turning the frogs gay" comment was about a study that linked the presence of atrazine (a pesticide legal in the US but banned in the EU) in a water supply with the demasculinization of frogs (FWIW there's been replication issues when other people ran the same experiment).

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/transsexual-fr...

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by pengaru »

robbywashere_ wrote: post #12
cptcobalt wrote: post #8

It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The turning frogs gay is about endocrine disruptors [0]. I'm not aware of fluoride being on that list though.

Clearly fluoride has health risks if my local water municipality had to get federal assistance building out a fluoride removal plant to treat its ground water supplies, but as always the dose makes the poison...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_disruptor

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by orangepurple »

Conscat wrote: post #44
chollida1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flouride doesn't need conspiracy theories to be considered dangerous. That debate is definitely going on and has no consensus as evidenced by the fact that some cities are still removing flouride from their water and some are adding it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6195894/

There is no evidence that fluoride is remotely dangerous in reasonable quantities, only in ridiculous quantities that are impossible to reach under normal circumstances.

Young children chug toothpaste

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by ackfoobar »

pierat wrote: post #23
phpisthebest wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…

Given that in Article 1 Section 8 is the following: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" highlight: "provide for the common Defense and general Welfare" Seems to strongly indicate that clean wa…

Looking at the thread I don't think he objects to government ensuring clean water, but Democrats' taxing policies.

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Post by gamblor956 »

phpisthebest wrote: post #17
tedivm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" Your bias is showing a bit there.

My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…

The best government is efficient government, whatever the size it needs to be to efficiently and successfully accomplish the tasks it has been given by its citizens.
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