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FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#41

On current domestic flights the flight door hinges are 2 inches from bathroom hinges. So if there's now the need for two doors (an airlock) will they be lengthening the plane 3 feet to allow for this?

Does it need to be 3 foot multiplied by the width of the plane? Why not a box or cage a bit smaller than a toilet? Hell you could make a retractable person sized cage inside or outside the cockpit.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#43

Basically they want an air lock? Someone at the FAA has been playing too much Rust and getting door camped

I came here to say this. An airlock is exactly what they need. Although not necessarily literally an airlock in a sense that it needn't be airtight, but just that you can't open both doors simultaneously.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#44

It seems to me a second door should render the need of securing the primary door less necessary. That Germanwings flight haunts me more than any other in-flight scenario. So keep the new door secured like the existing primary. Make the primary unlockable with a key.

We should take away their shoelaces, just in case the pilot tries to garrote his copilot. Velcro shoes work fine, and a minor fashion offense is a small price to pay to prevent this scenario.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#45
post #38

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Passengers already know to not comply with hijackers. Since 9/11 everyone who has attempted something has gotten a beating and then restrained by passengers until an emergency landing could occur. I can't see an extra door helping much knowing that.

> Since 9/11 everyone who has attempted something has gotten a beating and then restrained by passengers until an emergency landing could occur. How many is everyone?

I don't have exact numbers, but a Google Image search for 'airline passenger duct taped' returns quite a few results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=airline+passenger+duct+taped...

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#46
post #22

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Should we for a hijacking to happen, then implement the solution?

Should we wait to see if a tiger lives under your bed before hiring a poacher to get it out?

That's not exactly a logical comparison. We know the threat vector exists, we are already taking steps to defend against it (moving food cart in the way).

It's just a door, I am pro literal defenses and against security theatre. Maybe if we shore up the cabin we can relax some of the other bullshit theatre going on.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#47
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we wait to see if a tiger lives under your bed before hiring a poacher to get it out?

That's not exactly a logical comparison. We know the threat vector exists, we are already taking steps to defend against it (moving food cart in the way). It's just a door, I am pro literal defenses and against security theatre. Maybe if we shore up the cabin we can relax some of the other bullshit theatre going on.

Tiger attacks are far more common than plane hijackings, thousands of people are attacked by tigers every year.

Listen, I know a guy.. he works for free if you let him keep the carcass. You don't want to take risks with tigers.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#48
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not exactly a logical comparison. We know the threat vector exists, we are already taking steps to defend against it (moving food cart in the way). It's just a door, I am pro literal defenses and against security theatre. Maybe if we shore up the cabin we can relax some of the other bullshit theatre going on.

Tiger attacks are far more common than plane hijackings, thousands of people are attacked by tigers every year. Listen, I know a guy.. he works for free if you let him keep the carcass. You don't want to take risks with tigers.

Well, let me know when a tiger grounds tens of thousands of flights, prompts an invasion and ushers in the post 9/11 security and privacy policies brought in by the war on terror.

The tiger could probably jump over the cart though, maybe we should be worried.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#49

Basically they want an air lock? Someone at the FAA has been playing too much Rust and getting door camped

I came here to say this. An airlock is exactly what they need. Although not necessarily literally an airlock in a sense that it needn't be airtight, but just that you can't open both doors simultaneously.

A vestibule. This is common practice in the SCIFs that are used to protect classified data -- makes it harder to gain access, also makes it harder to see in from outside. Makes sense to have it on planes for similar reasons.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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post #30
post #4

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Probably not. The armoring of cockpit doors already stopped hijackings. I'm a bit baffled as to the benefit of a second one.

Has it? I've only read news stories about passengers jumping anyone that tries any thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525 provides a grim example of how hard it is to get through these newer doors. If they're locked, no one's getting in if the pilot doesn't want them to.
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