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Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by georgemcbay »

michael_miller wrote: post #14

It's interesting that Microsoft chose to adopt monochrome icons after Mac OS X / iTunes adopted monochrome icons. I'd be curious if Apple's design was a major influence on Microsoft's designers, or if the idea for monochrome icons came primarily from independent research/user testing.

This looks more like an extension of the UI style they started adopting with the Expression tools back in 2008, which itself was more directly influenced by Adobe tools like Photoshop Elements and Lightroom than iTunes or Mac OS.

If you really want to tie Apple into it, then the anchor would be Aperture (which obviously influenced Adobe), not really iTunes or recent releases of Mac OS.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by MetallicCloud »

blackhole wrote: post #18

I'm sorry, but I use color to locate things. This, to me, is a disaster. If this isn't a problem for other people, fine, but it's a problem to me. A better solution would have been to use less color and desaturated tones rather than simply going to full on black and white, which serves only to rob the IDE of potential visual cues. This is like using a cannon to kill a bird. Just because they overcolorized VS2010 for…

Completely agree. The new design looks horrible. It seems they've removed any use of shading/colour to let you know whats happening to not 'overload the user'.

Just reducing the contrast would have been enough. And if there wasn't a direct comparison between the coloured icons and the b/w ones, I would have no idea what the b/w ones would do.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by manuscreationis »

These are some nice concepts, but this is entirely overbaked (in my opinion).

I don't find the colors of VS2k10 "distracting" me or making it "difficult" to find things at all. I am glad, however, they're removing a bunch of those useless buttons by default (of course you can always remove them yourself, but I digress).

I can appreciate what they're attempting here, but why go this far without a road back? If you're going to completely overhaul the look and feel this much, and go so far as to let people choose between 2 different color schemes, why not at least give people the option of using the classic scheme, or allow for custom user developed schemes (which would invariably give rise to a few "classic" ones anyways). Maybe they mentioned this and I missed it... I hope thats the case.

I've always felt the U/I got better with each iteration since the original VS, but this is the first time I'm not excited to get my hands on the next version based solely on the look and feel.

Of course, I'll have to reserve final judgement for when I actually get my hands on it.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by dkersten »

ajross wrote: post #32
brosephius wrote: post #3

Maybe it's just me but I like the "Strong use of color" better. I find it hard to quickly find the tool button I want when they're all monochrome. I'm sure I'd get used to it, but I can't really say the colors in the GUI are my primary distraction when I'm coding...

Some of us grognards would argue that if you're having trouble finding buttons, they really shouldn't be on the screen at all. Seriously, why must IDEs look like this? Why is there screen space dedicated to documentation when I'm not reading docs? Why are there multiple horizontal bars at both the top and bottom of the full-screen display when the single most important activity in the app is scanning very long text f…

why must IDEs look like this?

Qt Creator is currently my favourite IDE to develop C++ in (even if it does not use Qt) and it doesn't look like this.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by lordlicorice »

manuscreationis wrote: post #43

These are some nice concepts, but this is entirely overbaked (in my opinion). I don't find the colors of VS2k10 "distracting" me or making it "difficult" to find things at all. I am glad, however, they're removing a bunch of those useless buttons by default (of course you can always remove them yourself, but I digress). I can appreciate what they're attempting here, but why go this far without a road back? If you're…

You can already set (and share) color schemes for what really matters- the code editor. As long as I get to keep my editor colors, I'm sure it will be no big deal to get used to any changes to the chrome.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by elemeno »

MartinCron wrote: post #35
bwarp wrote: post #12

Sure it looks all pretty, but have they made it faster and more reliable? VS2010 is just damn slow and falls over on me at least 2-3 times a day which is not acceptable. When you pay for 25 VS2010 premium licenses with MSDN on top of your gold partner allowance, you expect it to work.

VS2010 is just damn slow and falls over on me at least 2-3 times a day which is not acceptable. Non-aggressive suggestion: think you've got something screwy with your system, I've had VS Fall over on my 2-3 times in the last several years of heavy use. It doesn't have to be that unstable. Also, with an SSD and enough RAM, I don't feel like I'm ever waiting on VS anymore.

I'd second that. In the past five years (or at least since VS 2008), I can remember VS crashing on me maybe half a dozen times. That's with spending most of my time working on pretty large multi language projects.

For context, I don't use any extensions other than (sometimes) ReSharper and Tortoise svn/git/hg.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by manuscreationis »

lordlicorice wrote: post #46
manuscreationis wrote: post #43

These are some nice concepts, but this is entirely overbaked (in my opinion). I don't find the colors of VS2k10 "distracting" me or making it "difficult" to find things at all. I am glad, however, they're removing a bunch of those useless buttons by default (of course you can always remove them yourself, but I digress). I can appreciate what they're attempting here, but why go this far without a road back? If you're…

You can already set (and share) color schemes for what really matters- the code editor. As long as I get to keep my editor colors, I'm sure it will be no big deal to get used to any changes to the chrome.

Yea, but that's not really what I'm talking about.

I mean purely the shell of the U/I - Although it would be good if both of those things were configurable in the same way, so you could truly share a completely customized and tuned color scheme

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by AutoCorrect »

WayneDB wrote: post #33
[deleted] wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So...you're wrong on most accounts. VS 2010 is plenty fast and plenty of people build plenty of cross platform apps and web apps using Visual Studio. Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because hating Microsoft and all that "ghastly" proprietary software is just so passe. It's boring and nobody cares that you think proprietary software is evil.

fast is a relative term. If we're talking about VS 2010, then it's fast versus building an IDE with ed on your own.

Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because loving Microsoft and all that proprietary software is just so old-school. It's boring and nobody cares that you think free software is evil.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by pjmlp »

CedarMadness wrote: post #21
thom wrote: post #11

For those annoyed that this just focuses on colours, here's some C++ features of VS2011: http://herbsutter.com/2012/02/23/vc11-beta-on-feb-29

All that C++ support and they still don't support C99...

Microsoft does not care about C99. C++ is the official systems programming language in Windows, as has been communicated several times.

C89 is good enough for writing device drivers, the only place Microsoft still advises to use C instead of C++.

As for C99 support it is not as if Microsoft would be the only one not supporting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C99#Implementations

To be honest I think C99 and C11 will most likely go unnoticed by all major compiler vendors.

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