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Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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My grandmother had Parkinson's and it was awful. How long until I can go to the doctor, get some blood drawn, and see if I'll develop it one day?

What would you do if you found out you would? (I ask as someone whose great-grandfather, great-uncle, and grandfather all had Parkinson’s.) I’ve avoided any testing because, as far as I know, there’s nothing preventative to be done. I’d love to hear otherwise. I’ve broached the subject with my last two primary care physicians and both advised that there was no point in knowing.

If you know for certain, then you might do things you otherwise wouldn't.

E.g decide to have children or not, plan a will. Live life to the max. Potentially get a head start on treatment if one were ultimately available, even if super experimental and maybe even not working in the end.

Honestly, there are many reasons to know beforehand and not a lot of reasons to not know.

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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>What would you do if you found out you would? There's quite a few big decisions to make, no? Preparing financially, making plans for when you're going to retire or what to do before, whether you want to have kids and put them through this, and so on. If I found out I had a degenerative disease at the very least I'd opt for an egg or sperm donation and not delay having kids. You probably don't want to be in declining…

> I'd probably opt for an egg or sperm donation so that any kids produced would have a high probability of having the disease too?

no, so that they don't have a high probability of having a disease because I'd not be passing it on. How did you read anything else into that statement?

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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The first study has 3 patients. The second study is a little better, but not by much. Both have the same first author. If this were legitimate, some academic medical center in the US would have picked it up. Parkinson’s is a huge target, and this kind of thing makes a career. This is likely on the same level as horse dewormer for COVID.

>This is likely on the same level as horse dewormer for COVID You mean something that's demonstrated to have a statistically significant protective effect in a majority of studies but was attacked mercilessly by the pharma industry and the media they fund because they can't profit from a generic drug like that? https://c19ivm.org/meta.html

Looks great .. dive in (talk to your local professional epidemiologist) and it's a skewed collection of low N studies mixed in with studies in regions with large intestinal parasite issues.

Does horse dewormer do anything significant for large populations in first world countries?

No. (Save for regions with a intestinal parasite problem)

Elsewhere it gets rid of a significant number of parasites, making people healthier, and improving their chances WRT everything else, the common cold, influenza, COVID, etc.

If you have worms, take a dewormer course.

If you don't .. it won't do diddly squat for COVID.

Statistics!! (Sometimes there's correlation but that ain't always causal).

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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The cynic in me assumes that it's because this is not a patentable drug. EDIT: MJF foundation is aware of it at least - https://www.michaeljfox.org/news/thiamine-vitamin-b1-and-par... , but points out problems with the study. Further Googling quickly leads to the usual quackery about the magical properties of different supplements and vitamins. Hope this goes somewhere though.

No way. About five years ago there was a quack-y study about reducing death in sepsis which called for high-dose vitamin C, thiamine and steroids. None of these are patent protected. The first study purported to show a 100% reduction in mortality. There were many RCTs done after this which did not bear out the effect, and it has now essentially been proven to be ineffective. it is possible to fund studies without ind…

Who actually thought that steroids help with an infection? Don't those usually make you more susceptible?

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you do if you found out you would? (I ask as someone whose great-grandfather, great-uncle, and grandfather all had Parkinson’s.) I’ve avoided any testing because, as far as I know, there’s nothing preventative to be done. I’d love to hear otherwise. I’ve broached the subject with my last two primary care physicians and both advised that there was no point in knowing.

If you know for certain, then you might do things you otherwise wouldn't. E.g decide to have children or not, plan a will. Live life to the max. Potentially get a head start on treatment if one were ultimately available, even if super experimental and maybe even not working in the end. Honestly, there are many reasons to know beforehand and not a lot of reasons to not know.

Ignorance is bliss

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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If this Was discovered 10 years ago, I’m assuming it must be fairly limited in helping, or the results haven’t lasted or something?

The cynic in me assumes that it's because this is not a patentable drug. EDIT: MJF foundation is aware of it at least - https://www.michaeljfox.org/news/thiamine-vitamin-b1-and-par... , but points out problems with the study. Further Googling quickly leads to the usual quackery about the magical properties of different supplements and vitamins. Hope this goes somewhere though.

There is a fair amount of research on diet and nutrition. Much of that is not patentable. For example, I think a recent one was all over the news about magnesium rich foods lowering risk for dementia. Unfortunately this area sees a lot of back and forth in some areas (like with eggs).

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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My grandmother had Parkinson's and it was awful. How long until I can go to the doctor, get some blood drawn, and see if I'll develop it one day?

What would you do if you found out you would? (I ask as someone whose great-grandfather, great-uncle, and grandfather all had Parkinson’s.) I’ve avoided any testing because, as far as I know, there’s nothing preventative to be done. I’d love to hear otherwise. I’ve broached the subject with my last two primary care physicians and both advised that there was no point in knowing.

> I’ve avoided any testing because, as far as I know, there’s nothing preventative to be done. I’d love to hear otherwise.

Parkinson's is a nutritional disorder combined with genetic risk.

Zinc and Parkinson's https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8125092/

Pyridoxine (B6) and Parkison's https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajmg.b.30198

Riboflavin and Parkinson's https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2017.0033...

Nutrition and Parkinson's https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02938409

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnagi.2014.0003...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00747...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12883-014-0212-1

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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post #12

My grandmother had Parkinson's and it was awful. How long until I can go to the doctor, get some blood drawn, and see if I'll develop it one day?

What would you do if you found out you would? (I ask as someone whose great-grandfather, great-uncle, and grandfather all had Parkinson’s.) I’ve avoided any testing because, as far as I know, there’s nothing preventative to be done. I’d love to hear otherwise. I’ve broached the subject with my last two primary care physicians and both advised that there was no point in knowing.

There are lifestyle factors that are supposed to slow the onset and progression. Granted most of those, like exercise, are supposed to be things we do anyways.

Re: Significant breakthrough in search for Parkinson's biomarker

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My grandmother had Parkinson's and it was awful. How long until I can go to the doctor, get some blood drawn, and see if I'll develop it one day?

You could do a genetic test, Parkinsons has well associated genetic markers and consumer level companies can do testing of this (and others). 23 and me have a bit on it. https://www.23andme.com/topics/health-predispositions/parkin...

it's not a trivially heritable disease, genetic testing can't tell you with any real confidence if you'll develop symptoms

edit: you may be able to contact a parkinson's genetics counselor specialist which may be more useful

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