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Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by ben_w »

hcrean wrote: post #33
_Microft wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's what happens if people lack self-reflection. If they had asked themselves if there is any chance that they could possibly know better than someone who's working on a topic all the time, the answer would have been a resounding no, no matter the topic in question.

It is almost unperceivable to people who truly have faith, that other might not believe in the same higher authority as them. This is a story as old as time.

This is very true. I don't know if you're saying that about vaccination providers or anti-vax campaigners (Deliberate ambiguity? I ask because I do that sometime).

While there is a massive difference in evidence supporting these two sides, as I have a mere GCSE grade C in biology, I necessarily have to just have faith in the research methods and licensing regimes that made my 4 Covid jabs and humpteen others.

Not unadulterated faith, but I do have faith, and it is only faith. I can't do a double-blind replication even if I wanted to.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by hutzlibu »

nnx wrote: post #31

This is really sad as it will probably cause unnecessary children deaths down the road. I think public health authorities have serious soul-searching to do, this outcome was clearly warned upon by a lot of doctors and paediatricians who seen first hand parents not understanding why those authorities were pushing so hard novel mrna covid-19 vaccines on healthy children that were basically not at risk from this disease…

Yeah, the push to vaccinate children was not for the children, but to protect the old. And what will likely happen now, is a stronger push for forced vaccinations, met by even more entrenching of the anti-vaxx crowd.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

nnx wrote: post #31

This is really sad as it will probably cause unnecessary children deaths down the road. I think public health authorities have serious soul-searching to do, this outcome was clearly warned upon by a lot of doctors and paediatricians who seen first hand parents not understanding why those authorities were pushing so hard novel mrna covid-19 vaccines on healthy children that were basically not at risk from this disease…

It's difficult for the soulless to soul-search, and all too many who lead us here are soulless sociopaths. Beyond the loss of confidence from the public, many of my friends who work at the CDC, and have been there their entire careers, have lost faith in both the organization and its leaders. I expect the CDC will experience a lot of brain drain and loss of institutional knowledge now that the rank-and-file have had to confront what has been going on since even before the pandemic. Even worse it that they'll likely be replaced by those who are uncurious true believers that won't question anything, giving the sociopaths in charge even more power.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by dustymcp »

phpisthebest wrote: post #24
eesmith wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the "routine" in the title? The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)." Not COVID vaccination.

I understand that is what the story has said but as another poster has indicated a lot of doctors are only doing vaccinations if parents "agree to all required vaccines" which in most areas of the US they have added COVID to that list So if they make it "take them all including COVID or none" Then naturally parents that refuse to give their children the new COVID treatment will also have to choose refuse the "routine…

wow that sounds wild, im sorry you guys have to deal with such a flawed system :(

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by realjhol »

_Microft wrote: post #25
jslql wrote: post #6

That’s what happens when you burn a lot of good faith.

No, that's what happens if people lack self-reflection. If they had asked themselves if there is any chance that they could possibly know better than someone who's working on a topic all the time, the answer would have been a resounding no, no matter the topic in question.

Actually yes, sometimes an outsider opinion can be the correct one... that is the very essence of scientific enquiry - to ask questions.

Who am I? Some rando on the Internet, but I correctly assessed that the vaccines wouldn't prevent transmission, carried a non-zero risk of side effects - sometimes extremely serious, that natural immunity would provide far greater protection, that vaccination was unnecessary for children and younger adults, that there would no benefit to lock downs, and that masks were pointless.

We have been proven correct about every single one of these things, and every health official who promoted these ideas has been proven completely incorrect

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by iinnPP »

_Microft wrote: post #25
jslql wrote: post #6

That’s what happens when you burn a lot of good faith.

No, that's what happens if people lack self-reflection. If they had asked themselves if there is any chance that they could possibly know better than someone who's working on a topic all the time, the answer would have been a resounding no, no matter the topic in question.

Hi.

You don't know me and that is fine. In early January 2020 I predicted the entire pandemic, including the mask lie(before they lied), the supply run (My entire family picked off full shelves), the effort from people, the vaccine issues, and the aftermath.

If I followed what you suggested, I would be without my mother. So maybe, just maybe, you are wrong.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by knaik94 »

generalizations wrote: post #23
knaik94 wrote: post #20

I am not sure what the best way to communicate with these kinds of parents is. This is a parent with a very specific kind of mindset about who should be the ultimate authority on their child. More often than not, it becomes unhealthy for the child living in this environment both physically and emotionally. Everyone understands the parents ultimately mean no harm, but their warped perception of science, among other th…

> very specific kind of mindset about who should be the ultimate authority on their child What are you referring to here?

They believe as a parents, they have all of the specific knowledge required to give their child the best possible life. While ignoring pediatricians and teachers. I wasn't referring to myself in any way.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

lawn wrote: post #43
jslql wrote: post #6

That’s what happens when you burn a lot of good faith.

No, that's what happens when conspiracy theories instill fear, uncertainty and doubt.

When did you switch from hating masks to loving masks? What caused your switch? Why caused you to hate them before you loved them? Was it a conspiracy?
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