Live data from Hacker News

Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

mako.cc

41–50 of 400 posts

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#41
The US should use the current market decline to split up Google. Splitting it up would allow for more competition and overall improve the tech sector.

Ideally you'd see the government force a split up Youtube, Cloud, Search, and their Ad Exchange into separate companies.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#42
post #26

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s…

Is it known that domain registrars are better than GMail in this regard? Not asking sarcastically, but I had my domain taken over by registrar(not released to public, just registrar took control of it) after few week of notice when auto renew failed to charge my credit card, and my credit card was working fine elsewhere. Also many registrar like Namecheap cancelled subscription for Russian customers during this invasion. Not to mention incidents like [0]

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470266

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#43
Also take into account that there is also a good amount of people using Gmail, without it showing up in the headers of your mail.

Most email is automated, and Google is not a popular provider for that, but Google has a huge percentage of human generated emails.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#44
post #40
post #10

google/gmail is also one of the principal agents which declares by fiat "your own domain self-run mail is spam because I think its spam" which then propagates to other mail providers. SPF/DKIM no matter: if they decide it's spammy, un-doing this decision is appeal to a star chamber you cannot interact with directly.

By what mechanism do you believe this information "propagates" to other mail operators?

Aside from the sharing of RBL lists, the reflexive bouncing of mails? SMTP error codes rejecting delivery transitively? Maybe I'm wrong and there is no information sharing here? Not impossible or implausible. Does Macys tell Gimbels?

Another effect here is volume. That's non communicating between the big players but would inevitably lead to similar outcomes if they rank domains by volume/score weights.

Hosting a small mail domain in Google is a good way not to get marked bad it seems. Postini filtering on your gsuite user side is an added bonus. I've yet to withdraw a domain from gsuite so I don't know how long it stays "acceptable" But I do know Gmail is one of the principal "not an acceptable sender" paths. As to how that flows or informs o365 or any other player, I may be making a bridge too far.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#45
post #26

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s…

Go through that exercise of ditching that email. You will find out the 2-3 things you need absolute plan a/b/c for.

Seriously, reset your email password to something you can never remember and write it down and have someone hold it for a month (don’t tell them what is it, tuck it in an envelope). Let your mind run circles around your fears and you’ll find out how little that email account owns you.

Freezing one credit card will shut off all your frivolous subscriptions (Spotify, Netflix, Prime).

You’ll call your internet provider because you don’t want that cut off.

You’ll call your bank, brokerage.

You’ll remember your bosses contact info, and the one person at work you trust.

You’ll let the most important people know (could be as few as one) that you’re off the grid, in your terms. You’ll memorize their number.

You’ll realize all the people you could care less about, or they about you, if neither of you ever heard from each other again.

Kind of a freeing thing. Then you’ll make a new email, and you’ll never add that much cruft to it ever again.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#46
post #26

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s…

What email do you use with domain registrar? I ended up switching most if mine domains to google domains simply because i find its ui more convenient for me, all eggs in one basket i guess. But how do you ensure that you aren’t gonna loose access to your domain account?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#47
post #18
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you offering to pay for them to host their own streaming solution and volunteering to handle technical support for users who have trouble with it? This gotcha-game is tiring. People don't have to like Amazon to realize that they and YouTube are the only practical game in town for free live streaming.

Well, I have been a donor for a long time, so yes, technically I am paying them. And your second statement is false; other orgs have successfully had online gatherings on BBB, for example.

"Online gatherings" as in 1:M live streams, or "online gatherings" as in "pack everyone into a WebRTC room and hope it holds"? Because Twitch and YouTube do the former and I don't see anything in BBB that natively emits HLS or DASH. I see plugins that will talk to an RTMP server, but that leaves a very long row to hoe.

1:M live streaming is very, very difficult to get right--it's is why video providers can charge so much for private video in the first place.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#48
post #9

For me, owning my own email domain is far more about control than privacy. I currently use some MX and SMTP trickery to forward all of my email to Gmail, effectively using Gmail as my 'email client' - but because the domain is mine, I can change that without too much headache, unlike if I were just using an @gmail.com address.

You don’t own a domain name you rent it. If you ever forget to renew it or you are unable to renew it for some reason then it becomes available for anyone else to register. At that point the new owner can receive all your email and potentially access any accounts which use that email as 2FA. I’m not saying you should never do this but it’s not a silver bullet.

yep cos of Covid namecheap sold my domain to a squatter who now wants $10k for something i've renewed for years for $12.

That was so shitty coming back round to reality and everything broken. Still upset about it. To this day I have no idea why the card didn't pay as always.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#49
I think this is everywhere. In India, people in the departments, especially the Governments usually ask, "What is your Gmail?" Almost everyone uses Gmail here and it is extremely rare to find their own custom domain.

I'm actually surprised that the Government Departments do not have a service that takes care of these! They will fine Google but almost all of the government email IDs are Gmail.

I was one of those that distributed hundreds if not thousands of Gmail invites when it started. However, since 2010-ish, I left Gmail to be just for Newsletters, and the ones that I'm not serious about. I'm always reminded that a day will come when I will just have no access, lock out and be done with it.

I had used my name's domain and had used the web hosting provided email service and I felt nice using the likes of `webmaster@brajeshwar.com` (early 2000s). Then I got a shorter domain with our family domain and is, now, powered by Google Workspace (with a plan to move to the competitors soon before the yearly plan expires). I had so many domains under the Google Suite free version since its beta. I did upgraded my primary domain to the paid version, when I had few mail delivery issues so I can talk to a person and that was also the time I realize I cannot go back. That was almost/about 10 years ago.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#50
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DebConf videos are mirrored to YouTube as well: https://www.youtube.com/c/DebConfVideos I've never watched it live because discovering the DebConf streams is extremely difficult. I've primarily watched the videos from YouTube.

Hmm, my memory tells me there was just a web page you could visit to watch them, plus links if you wanted to watch in an external media player. Post-conference you can look through the schedule to watch individual talks.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN