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Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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And tbh, it really does take time to prepare a good meal, including washing dishes and all that. For those of us living alone it takes a good chunk of our free time after work.

Not arguing with you that it takes a considerable amount of time to prepare and clean-up a home cooked meal. But as someone who is not living alone (have a wife and kids), I'd say you probably have a lot more free time than you think you do, and I'm not sure that cooking just for yourself takes up any more time than it would cooking more food, for more people with varying tastes, allergies, etc. Add to the fact that…

I live alone and occasionally invite friends over to make + eat dinner together. An extra set of hands prepping food and cleaning up afterwards is definitely faster than doing it solo.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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I wish I knew what was ultraprocessed. > "Ultraprocessed foods are defined as "industrial formulations of food substances (oils, fats, sugars, starch, and protein isolates) that contain little or no whole foods and typically include flavorings, colorings, emulsifiers, and other cosmetic additives," according to the study. But if I have a package that says it is whole grain or whatever, how do I know if it is or isn't…

Rules of thumb: 1. Don't buy meals; buy ingredients. 2. The longer the list of ingredients, the more likely it is to be "highly" processed 3. The way you avoid 'highly' processed stuff is to avoid processing altogether. Buy corn you have to husk, meat you have to cut, fish you have to filet, wine you have to uncork, bread you have to slice, etc.

> Buy corn you have to husk, meat you have to cut, fish you have to filet, wine you have to uncork, bread you have to slice, etc.

Ok, this is just silly. Cutting your own meat doesn't make it healthier than having a butcher cut it for you. Box wine is no more or less healthy than bottled wine with a cork. Slicing bread yourself doesn't change its health contents.

Its statements like these that make the whole argument seem like nonsense.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Nah. I work long hours and still find time to cook. Dinner takes about 15 mins to prepare, on average. I think the issue has more to do with people not knowing how to cook things that are both simple and nutritious. I really feel for people who are trying to learn; every beginner's cookbook is full of things that require specific ingredients, complicated prep work, or a shit-ton of chopping. I've toyed around with th…

Have you come across any good (or, better ,) cookbooks or resources for simple and nutritious food? I'm about to go to college so it would be a great help

I have heard good things about Tim Ferriss' The Four Hour Chef, though I have not read it myself. What I like about it is that it seems to focus on the process of cooking, rather than giving you a list of recipes. It's about turning you into "someone who cooks" rather than documenting such and such recipe.

The rules of thumb, which I am paraphrasing from secondhand discussions about the book, are as follows:

1. Buy good ingredients.

2. Taste and smell as you go.

3. Herbs and spices are your friends.

4. Don't overcook.

I agree with all of them.

Here's the thing: cooking is a skill, like juggling or programming. Just knowing all the rules (techne) doesn't suffice to actually perform the act. You need to spend some time applying the principles to concrete situations (metis). The good news is that if you follow the above rules, you'll basically never make something inedible.

Another tip I can give you is to get familiar with substitution ingredients. Don't have any sour cream? Yogurt is probably fine.

Now, in direct contradiction with what I've been saying so far, let me share with you one of my favorite recipes that got me through my PhD. Cooking time: 10 mins.

INGREDIENTS:

1. 1 or two whole leeks, depending on how hungry you are

2. Sour cream (or whatever)

3. Bacon (or lardons, if you can find them, but seriously... whatever)

4. White wine (optional, but _really_ makes a difference. Prefer dry wine, but whatever.)

PREP:

1. Cut your leek in 1cm rings. Throw away the dark green part.

COOKING:

1. Cook your bacon until crispy, then crumble it and set it aside.

2. While the bacon is cooking, put some butter in a pan and cook your leeks until they're soft and slightly translucid (kinda like you would cook an onion). Don't sweat it; it's hard to fuck up.

3. Add bacon and sour cream. Stir.

4. Add white wine. Stir until you're happy with the consistency

Boom. Done. Keeps well in the fridge, to boot.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Nah. I work long hours and still find time to cook. Dinner takes about 15 mins to prepare, on average. I think the issue has more to do with people not knowing how to cook things that are both simple and nutritious. I really feel for people who are trying to learn; every beginner's cookbook is full of things that require specific ingredients, complicated prep work, or a shit-ton of chopping. I've toyed around with th…

> Dinner takes about 15 mins to prepare, on average. This doesn't include time to meal plan, grocery shop, and clean dishes. Also, 15 minutes isn't a ton of time, but it isn't nothing.

It also doesn't include the opportunity cost of not doing all that. If getting a meal quick saves stress, time, planning, etc. etc. then it's providing a highly valuable service.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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And tbh, it really does take time to prepare a good meal, including washing dishes and all that. For those of us living alone it takes a good chunk of our free time after work.

> For those of us living alone it takes a good chunk of our free time after work. It takes even more time for people preparing food for a family. Throw in kids who are picky eaters, and it is even harder.

You can make your kids not picky by putting a plate in front of them and providing the choice of either eating it or going to bed hungry. Kids aren't born only wanting to eat chicken nuggets and mac n' cheese.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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> “People need to know they should cook more and prepare their own food from scratch. I know. We say we don’t have time but it really doesn’t take that much time,” Suemoto said. This is bullshit in a very important way: you have to know how to cook. Bring back home economics classes.

I've noticed people are afraid of cooking for no reason. Everyone needs to eat, so it's an obvious skill to pick up. It doesn't take much to learn the basics and cook for yourself by trial and error. Cooking for others is on another level though.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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> “People need to know they should cook more and prepare their own food from scratch. I know. We say we don’t have time but it really doesn’t take that much time,” Suemoto said. This is bullshit in a very important way: you have to know how to cook. Bring back home economics classes.

I don’t think that it’s that they can’t cook at all. I do agree you should learn more about it in general for reduction of waste and food safety. A lot of the problem however is people don’t ever get over the hump where the time investment pays off and you become more proficient, faster and a better cook in general.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Nah. I work long hours and still find time to cook. Dinner takes about 15 mins to prepare, on average. I think the issue has more to do with people not knowing how to cook things that are both simple and nutritious. I really feel for people who are trying to learn; every beginner's cookbook is full of things that require specific ingredients, complicated prep work, or a shit-ton of chopping. I've toyed around with th…

I don’t know anything how to cook anything from fresh ingredients that takes just 15 minutes from entering the kitchen to going to the table to eat. It takes 7 minutes for my kettle to bring 1.5 L of water to boil. (Yay 120v…) Instant oatmeal I guess? Anything requiring dairy or eggs won’t work.

Ok, so you can add 5 mins to set the table. Are we really going to nit-pick?

If you can't find 30 mins to make a meal, lowering that to 15 mins isn't going to make a difference. Just get up 30 mins earlier if it comes to that.

If you can't do that, then yeah ... you might be part of the .005% of people who are really in a bind, and physically cannot cook for themselves. My advice does not apply to such cases, and I can only give you my sincerest best-wishes.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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I wish I knew what was ultraprocessed. > "Ultraprocessed foods are defined as "industrial formulations of food substances (oils, fats, sugars, starch, and protein isolates) that contain little or no whole foods and typically include flavorings, colorings, emulsifiers, and other cosmetic additives," according to the study. But if I have a package that says it is whole grain or whatever, how do I know if it is or isn't…

This page from the BBC explains the diffrences between unprocessed and minimally processed foods, processed culinary ingredients, processed foods, and ultra-processed foods.

"Ultra-processed foods usually contain ingredients that you wouldn’t add when cooking homemade food. You may not recognise the names of these ingredients as many will be chemicals, colourings, sweeteners and preservatives."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/what_is_ultra-processed_...

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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And tbh, it really does take time to prepare a good meal, including washing dishes and all that. For those of us living alone it takes a good chunk of our free time after work.

Get instapot. Throw ingredients into instapot. Press button. Put contents into bowl. Rinse out instapot. Eat. Rinse out bowl.

You don't even need to buy instapot. Roasting/baking is just as easy (especially if you have a thermometer), and most people probably already have a oven/toaster oven at home. The high temperatures that can be achieved with an oven is a plus as well, because that means you can get browning (maillard reaction) that you can't get with a pressure cooker.
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