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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo »

bawolff wrote: post #24
phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

> All of these vaccines are cheap.

Not if you have to take them several times a year until the end of your life

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by robhunter »

metadat wrote: post #35
robhunter wrote: post #33

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Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" has been lost - why do you think such a large % of people who initially "followed the science" (and got 2 doses) chose not to "follow the science" and get a booster? (Again, keeping in mind boosters have been widely available since late 2021)

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What would you consider to be "taking an insane risk WRT Covid" ?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by thrown_22 »

metadat wrote: post #35
robhunter wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" has been lost - why do you think such a large % of people who initially "followed the science" (and got 2 doses) chose not to "follow the science" and get a booster? (Again, keeping in mind boosters have been widely available since late 2021)

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The funny thing is that because you didn't say which 50% 100% of people will nod along and think the other side is evil.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by peyton »

jameshart wrote: post #20
openfuture wrote: post #16

Lol nobody touching this discussion with a however-long-you-can-think-of pole. At least not anymore. My contribution: I think we have been destroying trust systematically for so long that people are losing their sanity. Finally it is time to rethink our foundations and stop coercing. Currently there are various things that take trust for granted and they will need to become a great deal more persuasive if they want t…

What, with respect to vaccines, specifically, would you say has undermined trust? Was there some massive scandalous plague of side effects caused by a carelessly approved vaccine that I missed?

Lots of people I know parrot “safe and effective” whenever testing positive. Turning an FDA-regulated phrase into a joke doesn’t bode well for future trust in government scientists.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #25
autokad wrote: post #22

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I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by metadat »

robhunter wrote: post #42
metadat wrote: post #35

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What would you consider to be "taking an insane risk WRT Covid" ?

The majority of prevailing attitudes and behaviors in Utah and Texas are good examples of what I consider to be a total disregard for public health.

Again, this is just me, some individual on HN who doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by bombcar »

nescioquid wrote: post #26
Robotbeat wrote: post #12

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Do they magically appear at your house with no addition driving involved? (Sorry, that came off snarkier than I intended. Online ordering of food just kind of outsources the driving, doesn’t reduce it. Different maybe for delivery trucks that serve multiple houses per trip.)

Not magically, but if you have one delivery vehicle making a route by n addresses, could that not be more efficient than n independent round trips?

It can be more efficient but the question remains if it's more likely to kill than otherwise (not all travel miles are equal).

In one state 34% of traffic fatalities involved alcohol. So Uber may do more for that than grocery delivery.

Grocery delivery drivers may also be better drivers because drive more often. Or, they may be overworked and rushing to complete deliveries.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by thrown_22 »

jameshart wrote: post #20
openfuture wrote: post #16

Lol nobody touching this discussion with a however-long-you-can-think-of pole. At least not anymore. My contribution: I think we have been destroying trust systematically for so long that people are losing their sanity. Finally it is time to rethink our foundations and stop coercing. Currently there are various things that take trust for granted and they will need to become a great deal more persuasive if they want t…

What, with respect to vaccines, specifically, would you say has undermined trust? Was there some massive scandalous plague of side effects caused by a carelessly approved vaccine that I missed?

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