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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ad93611 »

I’m a startup founder where most of our employees are based in India. I don’t condone this move by Razorpay. However, as someone else pointed out, the legal process in India is not robust, and it is biased toward people in power. Here are some constructive ways to avoid situations like this:

1. Register your company outside of India. The US is an excellent option because of the solid legal framework.

2. Encrypt the data. Ask for access from your customers, even for your own support teams.

3. Use international companies for services whenever possible.

It would be great to have a regular process to delete old data if you don’t need it for business purposes, and this is hard to do because you could develop an innovative way to add customer value using the old data you don’t know of today.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ramraj07 »

smashah wrote: post #5

It's concerning that YC is funding companies that are so aligned with BJP bigotry that they comply with invasion of privacy requests without a court order.

If they find any company in India they’re hitting a 50-50 that the company would do something like this. Only option then is not to invest in india?

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by mytailorisrich »

anovikov wrote: post #17
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

India is a "non-aligned" country, it's not "pro-Western". They have good relations with Russia, which is their main weapons supplier.

The West tends to cultivate them in relation to China, at which point calling them "the biggest democracy in the world" is simply a propaganda tool to sell them as the 'good guys' to public opinions (vs. China who are obviously the 'bad guys'). But the issues between India and China are independent of any "pro-Western" stance or political system, they are purely based on conflicts of interests between those two countries, including left-overs from the British Empire when it comes to border disputes.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by tedivm »

ramraj07 wrote: post #40
RicoElectrico wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

Heres the interesting thing though. A majority of Indian citizens would agree with this overreach. If the majority agrees with heavy handed tactics and they are enforced by elected officials with at least reasonably fair elections then is it right to call it an autocracy? I don’t agree with any of this of course but it is unfortunate reality here.

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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by rdl »

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order (https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible).

It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station".

Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed to data demands than regular data processors.

Pitchforks may be justified here, but perhaps not directed at Razorpay.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by sumedh »

smashah wrote: post #5

It's concerning that YC is funding companies that are so aligned with BJP bigotry that they comply with invasion of privacy requests without a court order.

If you dont comply with the govt, the govt can shut down your business without a due process if you dont have the money to fight.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by kalimanzaro »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #18
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

An autocracy of the majority, for the majority, by the majority.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by throw_away_1042 »

senthilnayagam wrote: post #46

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>money was received from syria and pakistan to this account

This is untrue. Razor pay did not accept international credit cards.

>Data was sought from the startup about this account by court order.

There was no court order.

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