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Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
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Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings. Since it's Tesla, it garners headlines, and that helps with the lawsuits. Lawsuits at other blue collar workplaces are boring, so they don't make headlines, don't threaten the companies involved, and go nowhere. It seems Tesla is being targeted…
> Yes the underlying (if true) behavior is bad too. Not just bad, but illegal. If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. If it’s happened, they SHOULD be sued. No ifs ands or buts about it. > We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cas…
It’s simplistic to just trust the justice system in this case. Since short sellers pushing false narratives have drummed up a lot of hate, Tesla sometimes has to “take the hit” as Elon put it. Judges and juries have the power, not lawyers. And they are not perfect and neutral, even though in a naively idealistic notion they are supposed to be.
Also your points were well answered by a different commenter but instead of discussing the good, interesting points, someone just downvoted. This is how it goes with Tesla. It’s some kind of weird thing that happens with companies that make products perceived as luxury, I guess, but in this case aided by short seller media campaigns.
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#43There are multiple lawsuits where Tesla has had similar accusations and the judgement trend has been consistently against their favor. I see a similar trend with Facebook and the like but for different accusations in the EU and elsewhere. These fines are not enough. When awarding them, the company's stock value and net profits should be taken into consideration and inaction or lack of change after the lawsuit should…
We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings. Since it's Tesla, it garners headlines, and that helps with the lawsuits. Lawsuits at other blue collar workplaces are boring, so they don't make headlines, don't threaten the companies involved, and go nowhere. It seems Tesla is being targeted…
> We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings.
Painting racialized minorities as "lowlifes" because they've got the audacity to speak out about pervasive mistreatment is the kind of hot take I'd expect to see in the comments of Fox News.
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings. Since it's Tesla, it garners headlines, and that helps with the lawsuits. Lawsuits at other blue collar workplaces are boring, so they don't make headlines, don't threaten the companies involved, and go nowhere. It seems Tesla is being targeted…
Tesla itself has engaged in frivolous lawsuits against competitors. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Citation needed.
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#45There are multiple lawsuits where Tesla has had similar accusations and the judgement trend has been consistently against their favor. I see a similar trend with Facebook and the like but for different accusations in the EU and elsewhere. These fines are not enough. When awarding them, the company's stock value and net profits should be taken into consideration and inaction or lack of change after the lawsuit should…
We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings. Since it's Tesla, it garners headlines, and that helps with the lawsuits. Lawsuits at other blue collar workplaces are boring, so they don't make headlines, don't threaten the companies involved, and go nowhere. It seems Tesla is being targeted…
> We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work setting
Calling minority workers “lowlifes” is classy, and even if illegal race discrimination is pervasive in many blue collar work settings, so what? “Everyone employer does it” isn't a justification, just a reason that imposing consequences to break the practice is more urgent.
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes the underlying (if true) behavior is bad too. Not just bad, but illegal. If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. If it’s happened, they SHOULD be sued. No ifs ands or buts about it. > We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cas…
>>If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. Or the law itself is impossible to comply with: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta... >>Even after the case has been litigated, we still do not know what exactly Tesla could have done to avoid the $137 million ju…
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Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#47It kind of started when Elon said that he is going to vote with the republicans - full disclouse, I do not like Elon, he crashed bitcoin and crypto many times.
Didn't these start years ago - way before he said that?
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#48There are multiple lawsuits where Tesla has had similar accusations and the judgement trend has been consistently against their favor. I see a similar trend with Facebook and the like but for different accusations in the EU and elsewhere. These fines are not enough. When awarding them, the company's stock value and net profits should be taken into consideration and inaction or lack of change after the lawsuit should…
We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cash in with lawsuits on stuff that is sadly routine in many blue collar work settings. Since it's Tesla, it garners headlines, and that helps with the lawsuits. Lawsuits at other blue collar workplaces are boring, so they don't make headlines, don't threaten the companies involved, and go nowhere. It seems Tesla is being targeted…
I disagree because the same isn't happening with their competitors and the verdict against them has been consistent.
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes the underlying (if true) behavior is bad too. Not just bad, but illegal. If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. If it’s happened, they SHOULD be sued. No ifs ands or buts about it. > We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cas…
It’s simplistic to just trust the justice system in this case. Since short sellers pushing false narratives have drummed up a lot of hate, Tesla sometimes has to “take the hit” as Elon put it. Judges and juries have the power, not lawyers. And they are not perfect and neutral, even though in a naively idealistic notion they are supposed to be. Also your points were well answered by a different commenter but instead o…
You think the justice system is stacked against Tesla? The US justice system?
Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes the underlying (if true) behavior is bad too. Not just bad, but illegal. If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. If it’s happened, they SHOULD be sued. No ifs ands or buts about it. > We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cas…
>>If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. Or the law itself is impossible to comply with: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta... >>Even after the case has been litigated, we still do not know what exactly Tesla could have done to avoid the $137 million ju…
Yet, none of the other electric car makers face this. Ford employs a lot of black and white people in michigan but you don't see this there.