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Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#41
The occasional exciting startup changes the world, but most don’t. Jumping from exciting failure to exciting failure might make for a fun career, but is it really fulfilling?

Boring companies are what the world runs on. Your contributions at a boring company, even if not revolutionary, can still have a real impact on the lives of millions of people.

And as with any job, it’s important to consider the main reason most of us are working for a company at all: you need money to survive.

I think the big tech company salaries are an incredible gift we’ve been given in our industry, and we should enjoy them while we can. You never know when the job market might change or you might have health problems that prevent you from working.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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post #34

If you want to be "exciting" (the opposite of boring) you'll always feel like you aren't living up to your potential; just like how power lifters always think their muscles are small and anorexic instagram models don't think they're skinny enough. Balance is much more rewarding. Do good work, work that pays, that you're good at, that you can be proud of. Then go home. Switch off, and enjoy your hobbies. Learn an inst…

Really? Most of the entrepreneurs I've met have had to do a lot of work, but none of them (this is my personal experience) regret striking out on their own. Advocating for a resigned alienation from one's work is advocating for living one's life for other people. I don't buy it.

It's not that they regret starting their businesses, it's that it consumes them and their life outside of work. They have no work-life balance. Their work may be rewarding and satisfying, but they aren't living happy lives.

This is what I've observed, anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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I really like this essay [0] by cryptographer Moxie, specifically this section about starting a new career: "...simply observe the older people working there. They are the future you. Do not think that you will be substantially different. Look carefully at how they spend their time at work and outside of work, because this is also almost certainly how your life will look. It sounds obvious, but it’s amazing how often…

It's funny too because just having got a lot of money is de facto uninteresting. It's potential energy, a coiled spring that has not been sprung. It has no consequences on anything, all "could be" and no "is."

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Are you me?

I'm 28, and genuinely feel angry about the anti-corporate "the system is for losers, follow your passion" shit that was shoved down our throat as teenagers and young adults.

It's not a recipe for anything except burnout and depression. Staking your ego on being the "guy who knows a lot about technology/concept x" is even worse.

Stick with your job, and make sure to keep time for your wife (or husband) and kids. You won't regret it.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#47
> I still want to be creative.

If you managed to find a boring well-paying and low effort job then congratulation! You have just freed yourself from money while having enough focus left at the end of the day to pursue a creative interest.

Now is the time to start writing a novel, pick up hyperrealistic drawing, do some fancy cooking, start an indie movie, make a zen garden, etc.

The world is your oyster and you have all the time and confort you need to become the best in the world at something.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#48
>A mentor has advised me not to become "boring" and wants me to try to stay entrepreneurial.

I'm not sure what boring has to do with being entrepreneurial. There are people who are so work obsessed they seem 1 dimensional. Being obsessed with work can quickly make your personality boring. One of the most boring people I know is a successful (at making money, not anywhere else in life) entrepreneur. Talking to them is like getting a highlight reel of the news. "It's hard to find good workers, health insurance premiums are too high, schools aren't teaching job skills, etc"

>I still want to be creative.

I think if your mentor had said "Don't become passive, stay creative and curious" I could have agreed with that. As you get older, have kids, get hurt in relationships etc, it's really easy to lose all your personal interests, hobbies, and just get into a rut where you basically do nothing. You give up trying or learning at your job, and your spare time is just watching TV. Having hobbies, learning stuff, that keeps you creative. Leaving a job when you have clearly reached a point where you are bored out of your mind and you have stopped learning ... having some sort of a challenge at a job keeps you creative.

I joke with people that the pace of my hobbies and personal learning is basically "How to take two years to work though a book about how to learn something in 30 days." But it's better than not getting through it at all.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#49
Find what's fulfilling for you.

For me, it was not fulfilling to be shut out of the private equity markets because I made too little as a wage slave. It was not fulfilling for me to not have the choice of hopping out to month long festivals, because I was merely earning UP TO 2 weeks of time off, or the unlimited vacation policy was just 2 weeks of time because the expectations from the manager were the same.

For others, wage work subsidizing some local recreational activities and eventual downpayment on a home is enough. Thats perfectly fine.

So for you, relationships are fulfilling, and maybe creativity is. But maybe wage work is too. In your situation, I would at least be prioritizing finding out (maybe by making a post like this as a start). But its better for me to know, than to not know. and I will do that at the expense of personal and professional relationships if a choice needed to be made.

One thing to know about both the entrepreneurial and creative side, is that the people you are inspired by always had a choice. They did not need a job to exchange time for food and shelter. Failure would not impact their life. Whereas for people reliant on wage-based professional attainment, the stakes are much higher and its not just a casual decision or path to take. If you fail at the entrepreneurial pursuit, you might actually be reliant on the wage work for the next decade - hoping - that nothing goes wrong to make you further reliant. Whereas the "fun" entrepreneurs have a survivorship bias in their favor because they can try and try and try again, in quick and simultaneous succession.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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post #25

From Bill Watterson's commencement speech at Kenyon College in 1990. I was lucky to read this when I was graduating and it changed my whole career path. I am now very happy and very boring: "Creating a life that reflects your values and satisfies your soul is a rare achievement. In a culture that relentlessly promotes avarice and excess as the good life, a person happy doing his own work is usually considered an ecce…

Great comment! I find it even more moving in waterson style comic form: https://www.gocomics.com/zen-pencils/2014/06/23

Thank you for this!
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