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Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by bauchidgw »

at a conference i talked with some nokia devs, two funny stories.

1) the N9 (the meego phone) will never be released in an english speaking country as marketing fears the tech blogger will write even more crap about their strategy change - as it is a quiete decent phone

2) even though the code for the N9 they do not get any test devices, the code in a very rudimentary ide only, as there is a no Meego phone for devs anymore policy

on the other hamd, he was quiete drunk and frustrated so i do not know how mich of it is true

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by mobiplayer »

Geee wrote: post #27
maratd wrote: post #9

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It doesn't matter. WebOS was fantastic too. There is no demand. Consumers want iOS or Android. They don't want anything else. The only possible way they might is to introduce something that iOS or Android do not have ... and none of those operating systems introduce anything that would represent a significant innovation in the consumer space. They do the exact same thing, only incrementally better. That is not reason…

WebOS lacked proper push and more capable hardware. Also, on global markets, Palm was a miniature company. I don't know if they even sold WebOS devices overseas. Android sell well because of multitude of devices and very cheap prices, not because it's good or popular.

They sold some Pre units over here (Spain), I had one.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by Geee »

smogzer wrote: post #38
pavlov wrote: post #23

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Harmattan was supposed to ship in fall of 2010. It's a year late. Yet, even if the MeeGo mess hadn't happened and Nokia had shipped a Harmattan phone on the original Maemo schedule, would it have made any difference? It would have been hamstrung by Nokia's confusion over Symbian's direction, and steamrolled by iOS and Android just the same. It's not Elop's fault that Nokia's software is in shambles. The damage was do…

I never got to understand all that maemo, symbian, meego operating system differences. Couldn't they just use linux and get some QML frontend in front of it. It seems really a lack of direction/duplication of efforts.

Well, it was their strategy all along with Qt, but it's been slow ride. Everything is Qt on new Symbian, MeeGo and upcoming Meltemi. Qt is natively on the new BBX and will probably be on Android. Qt is also their main strategy besides WP, so we will see how things pan out.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

#46

Post by somebear »

bauchidgw wrote: post #41

at a conference i talked with some nokia devs, two funny stories. 1) the N9 (the meego phone) will never be released in an english speaking country as marketing fears the tech blogger will write even more crap about their strategy change - as it is a quiete decent phone 2) even though the code for the N9 they do not get any test devices, the code in a very rudimentary ide only, as there is a no Meego phone for devs a…

Pretty much nothing.

Disclaimer: I work as a software engineer at Nokia.

Australia is very much an English speaking country (although we are at the ass-end of the world), and the N9 is getting a lot of active marketing here [1, 2].

I have also been working on the software for the N9, but most of my development has been on device, either on the N950 or the N9. We always grumble that we don't get enough devices, but these guys must have been frustrated about something else to go that far out.

There were a lot of problems developing for the N9, don't get me wrong, but they were not endemic to MeeGo over Symbian or S40 where I've also worked.

[1] http://press.nokia.com.au/nokia-n9-%E2%80%9Call-screen%E2%80... [2] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-N9-in-Beautifully-Simpl...

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by somebear »

aurynn wrote: post #16
Geee wrote: post #4

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How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

MeeGo Harmattan isn't as polished as iOS - it's got a lot of first-generation performance issues, definitely requires some babysitting to keep it running well, but it's miles ahead of Android. It feels like the Harmattan team at Nokia really understood good UI and good design, and wanted to build a product around those ideals. The N9 is also a really slick piece of hardware. Someone designed and loved this thing, and…

I think the guys at Nokia design will be very happy with that comment. Fortunately most of them are still employed with Nokia and working on exciting stuff.

I feel bad for most of the MeeGo devs though. Most of them were laid off or quit in frustration over having their baby flushed down the toilet. Quite a large number of them ended up with Intel to keep working on MeeGo, just to see Intel drop the effort as well. Must be incredibly frustrating.

Disclaimer: I work as a software engineer at Nokia in Australia.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by robert_nsu »

cpeterso wrote: post #31
ChuckMcM wrote: post #25

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That is what I was thinking, you could ask "is he a colonial governor?" You know, the guy the Colonial power installs as the head of state insuring that the colony will endeavor to make its patron state wealthier at the expense of its own citizens.

The Nokia board of directors probably hired Elop because they wanted to transition to Windows Phone. Elop's job was to the bearer of bad news (to employees).

I was under the impression that they wanted to transition to Windows Phone or Android. Anything to help them become/stay competitive in the mobile space.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by toyg »

untog wrote: post #7
Geee wrote: post #4

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How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

"How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish." "which is said"? Who said?

It got extremely good reviews on engadget, of all places, so it can't be bad.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by krelian »

Geee wrote: post #44
smogzer wrote: post #38

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I never got to understand all that maemo, symbian, meego operating system differences. Couldn't they just use linux and get some QML frontend in front of it. It seems really a lack of direction/duplication of efforts.

Well, it was their strategy all along with Qt, but it's been slow ride. Everything is Qt on new Symbian, MeeGo and upcoming Meltemi. Qt is natively on the new BBX and will probably be on Android. Qt is also their main strategy besides WP, so we will see how things pan out.

>Qt is natively on the new BBX and will probably be on Android.

What do you mean exactly?

The only thing I am afraid of losing if Nokia goes down is Qt.

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