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Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

#11

Post by barista »

maratd wrote: post #9
Geee wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

It doesn't matter. WebOS was fantastic too. There is no demand. Consumers want iOS or Android. They don't want anything else. The only possible way they might is to introduce something that iOS or Android do not have ... and none of those operating systems introduce anything that would represent a significant innovation in the consumer space. They do the exact same thing, only incrementally better. That is not reason…

Forget webOS even Windows Phone OS itself is way ahead of androind and even iOS in terms of usability. But you are right. People have ignored it so far. All they want is android or iOS.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

#12

Post by daliusd »

Geee wrote: post #4
pavlov wrote: post #2

Summary: journalist visits a Nokia software development site in Tampere, where everybody used to work on two mobile operating systems that Nokia is phasing out. Understandably, these people are not particularly willing to admit that the software they spent years on wasn't good enough to keep up with Apple and Google, so the old conspiracy theory plops up: the Nokia CEO must be a "mole" who's intentionally driving the…

How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

Well it looks like people at Nokia have tried really hard to release N9 even if it has problems. It is far from polished and I have hit some critical functionality that has API but is not working on Harmattan (most probably it works on Symbian). As well there are some functions that do not work from UI. I have reported bugs but that's the best I could do (maybe I can fix some of them). Overall I love how MeeGo Harmattan works and I love this OS - I'm happy owner of N950 (I'm using it as my main phone without problems).

Here is another thing that looks suspicious. New feature phones (that will run Meltemi) will have 1Ghz processor and as far as I'm aware N950 must have processor like this (at least I was hinted that it has slower processor than N9). Here I don't get why new OS is written when they have working one. As well it looks illogical to waste experience gained during Harmattan development (having in mind that Meltemi is developed in Germany and not Finland). It looks like not everything is revealed yet from Nokia side.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by thyrsus »

pavlov wrote: post #2

Summary: journalist visits a Nokia software development site in Tampere, where everybody used to work on two mobile operating systems that Nokia is phasing out. Understandably, these people are not particularly willing to admit that the software they spent years on wasn't good enough to keep up with Apple and Google, so the old conspiracy theory plops up: the Nokia CEO must be a "mole" who's intentionally driving the…

I'm curious about the misspelling of Torvalds. Was that a naive transcription of the spoken name, or a naive transliteration from a Finnish character similar to "eth"? ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Eth )

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by kb101 »

It is definitely noteworthy that the N9 and the N8, both examples of excellent hardware running competitive software, have basically been sandbagged by Nokia.

Contrast this with RIM, who just released a slew of stop-gap phones until QNX (BBX) is ready... but they still are promoting the hell out of those phones and are getting decent sales, keeping the company viable. And those aren't even world-beating phones.

Meantime, the N8 with its pentaband radio and Zeiss camera, and the N9 showing off the best of Meego, get no promotion at all... really does make you wonder. Microsoft-hatred might indeed be a disease, but Nokia threw out Symbian and Meego for an OS that is (for all its positive reviews) unproven.

Symbian Belle and Meego are definitely competitive options and offer a lot. Any tech site (engadget etc.) reviewing the N9 basically wound up mourning the premature death of Meego and wondering what might have been. In the case of the N8, the common assessment was it was stellar hardware with an OS that was almost there... well I think Belle pushed it over that line to being something competitive.

This is the same madness that Apotheker brought to HP, trashing established businesses just because they weren't sexy enough and then immediately trying to import the business model of the last company he worked at. I don't think Elop is a mole but he definitely has yet to do anything except destroy value at Nokia.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

#15

Post by Steko »

barista wrote: post #11
maratd wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter. WebOS was fantastic too. There is no demand. Consumers want iOS or Android. They don't want anything else. The only possible way they might is to introduce something that iOS or Android do not have ... and none of those operating systems introduce anything that would represent a significant innovation in the consumer space. They do the exact same thing, only incrementally better. That is not reason…

Forget webOS even Windows Phone OS itself is way ahead of androind and even iOS in terms of usability. But you are right. People have ignored it so far. All they want is android or iOS.

A growing number of people "want" Android today but your average customer had no idea what Android was when Android beat the pants off WebOS in 2009/2010. WebOS was a great OS stapled onto the biggest laughingstock of marketing and shoddy production quality in memory.

WP7 was late and less polished but also suffered from carriers-dont-push-it-itis.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by aurynn »

Geee wrote: post #4
pavlov wrote: post #2

Summary: journalist visits a Nokia software development site in Tampere, where everybody used to work on two mobile operating systems that Nokia is phasing out. Understandably, these people are not particularly willing to admit that the software they spent years on wasn't good enough to keep up with Apple and Google, so the old conspiracy theory plops up: the Nokia CEO must be a "mole" who's intentionally driving the…

How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

MeeGo Harmattan isn't as polished as iOS - it's got a lot of first-generation performance issues, definitely requires some babysitting to keep it running well, but it's miles ahead of Android.

It feels like the Harmattan team at Nokia really understood good UI and good design, and wanted to build a product around those ideals.

The N9 is also a really slick piece of hardware. Someone designed and loved this thing, and wanted it to be amazing. It doesn't have any weird bulges or outcroppings like all the Android handsets; the appearance of it is minimalist; even the camera module on the back looks like it fits the style. I always found the Android cameras to be just another annoying outcrop, never fitting with a cohesive design.

The N9, and Harmattan, have that cohesive design. It's a royal shame that it's the best phone no one will ever use...

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by daliusd »

untog wrote: post #7
Geee wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

"How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish." "which is said"? Who said?

I agree that it is too optimistic (see my other comment) but I was dissapointed that I can't swype in iPad.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by kenjackson »

untog wrote: post #7
Geee wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish. Definitely ahead of Android. Elop stated that they couldn't get it ready until 2014, but surprisingly it's on markets before the WP phones. Nokia store is also way ahead of WP marketplace. It's just huge downplay of Nokia's products, while WP is not at all proven platform. Elop's statements were understanda…

"How about MeeGo Harmattan, which is said to be even ahead of iOS in terms of usability, performance and polish." "which is said"? Who said?

The engineers who worked on it, of course.

Re: Is Nokia's CEO a Microsoft mole?

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Post by stevenwei »

kb101 wrote: post #14

It is definitely noteworthy that the N9 and the N8, both examples of excellent hardware running competitive software, have basically been sandbagged by Nokia. Contrast this with RIM, who just released a slew of stop-gap phones until QNX (BBX) is ready... but they still are promoting the hell out of those phones and are getting decent sales, keeping the company viable. And those aren't even world-beating phones. Meant…

The N8? Which didn't have a QWERTY keyboard in portrait mode until a year after release? That would randomly lock up when interacting with the UI?

That OS was nowhere near the level of its competitors.

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