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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by mobilio »

Symbiote wrote: post #27
mobilio wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU there is a law that you should drive with headlight all time. Old cars drive with low beam, new cars comes with daytime running lights (DRLs). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp#European_...

No, as you have cited, there is a law saying vehicles must be equipped with these lights, but it's up to national regulations on when they must be used. See https://trip.studentnews.eu/s/4086/77033-Car-travel-in-Europ... for a list (incomplete, Denmark requires daytime lights.)

Nordic countries are different because even their "days" they sun can be seen 2-3-4 hours.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by mobilio »

cdot2 wrote: post #25
mobilio wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU there is a law that you should drive with headlight all time. Old cars drive with low beam, new cars comes with daytime running lights (DRLs). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp#European_...

The US has this law for motorcycles. Maybe we should apply it to driverless cars as well

That's an good idea.

Actually few LED lights didn't require too much power and maintenance.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by dotancohen »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #36
soco wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On an unrelated note: why are the US police cars called "cruisers"? Are they a different category so to say?

The best description is on the first result from search: > Police cars are called cruisers because that is what they do. They cruise about town, looking for trouble , and responding to those requiring assistance. Doubt the original poster meant any irony there, but... Still, Webster: > cruiser, noun: > 1 : a vehicle that _cruises_: such as > a : squad car > cruise, verb: > 1 : to sail about touching at a series of po…

  > In my native one the term 'cruise' is restricted only for sail
Do you not used a cognate word for "Cruise control" in your language?

In Hebrew "Shait" is used for sail, but also for the idea of cruise control and a cruise missile. I cannot think of any other uses, not even for patrol vehicles.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by [deleted] »

gambiting wrote: post #28
brigade wrote: post #22

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Parking citations attach to the car (as does civil collision liability generally), but moving violations can only be levied against the driver. Which is how some red light camera fines are avoided, if the driver isn’t clearly identifiable by the camera.

Here in UK it's always the owner of the car who is responsible, unless they can say who was driving the car at the time. If they can't then the fine defaults to them - the assumption being that they are responsible for knowing who is using their vehicle. In other countries with similar laws(Poland) it has been argued in front of court that it cannot be the owner's responsibility to know who is driving their car at an…

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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by qayxc »

gtirloni wrote: post #14

Imagine if every failure in a traditional car became news.

This is relevant, though. There are traffic laws and regulations in place for human drivers and this incident poses a conundrum: how are minor transgressions handled with autonomous vehicles?

Who gets fined? The owner? The manufacturer? Do the rules not apply to machines or to a lesser degree and if so, why?

Lots of interesting legal questions that are much more relevant in practise than hypothetical (and IMHO completely misguided) trolly-problem related ethical discussions.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by mobilio »

usrusr wrote: post #32
mobilio wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU there is a law that you should drive with headlight all time. Old cars drive with low beam, new cars comes with daytime running lights (DRLs). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp#European_...

EU has a regulation requiring new cars to be equipped with DRL capability, that's all. Laws requiring the use of lights in daytime that exist in some countries are completely unrelated to EU.

Actually this is interesting because manufacturers should make same car but equip it with different parts.

Other example is turn signals. On EU they're orange. And when you drive after US imported car here drivers are confused because their turn signals are red. So driver behind don't know does front driver going to stop?

DRL - is few bucks, but it's great improvement of road safety.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by dagw »

dotancohen wrote: post #43
justsomehnguy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best description is on the first result from search: > Police cars are called cruisers because that is what they do. They cruise about town, looking for trouble , and responding to those requiring assistance. Doubt the original poster meant any irony there, but... Still, Webster: > cruiser, noun: > 1 : a vehicle that _cruises_: such as > a : squad car > cruise, verb: > 1 : to sail about touching at a series of po…

> In my native one the term 'cruise' is restricted only for sail Do you not used a cognate word for "Cruise control" in your language? In Hebrew "Shait" is used for sail, but also for the idea of cruise control and a cruise missile. I cannot think of any other uses, not even for patrol vehicles.

In Swedish at least the 'cruise' when talking about in ships and missiles is the same word, but "cruise control" is a completely different word (literally "speed holder"). You can't "cruise" in you car in Swedish.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by dgellow »

cdot2 wrote: post #26
surgi wrote: post #15

I find the explanation offered by Cruise amusing: the car supposedly "figured out" that it is in a dangerous spot to be pulled over and "tried to move to a better one" (extremely complex behavior), while the actual reason for the car being pulled over was not having its headlights on (seemingly a relatively simple bug).

If a person did this they'd probably be in some serious trouble

Is it an euphemism for dead? /s

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by bschne »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #13
bschne wrote: post #9

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I'm guessing the plan is that once you reach that scale there will be people in the cars?

How can a passenger force a fully autonomous taxi to pull over? And what happens when the passenger is in the driver's seat and the police think they are resisting orders?

Pretty sure you'd have some sort of "gracefully pull over" and "hard emergency stop" options in those once they are actually used for passengers? There's other reasons than police stops you would want to have the option.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by sandworm101 »

howunpleasant wrote: post #6
bmitc wrote: post #2

I remain confused on how these cars are allowed on the road. Did they pass a driver's license check? Who's responsible? Who gets the ticket? In this instance, you can see that the car performed a dangerous maneuver by running from the cops, with its lights still off, and crossing an intersection, which is then spun by the company as finding a "safer" spot to pull over at. Even though, it found a spot essentially iden…

> Did they pass a driver's license check? No > Who's responsible? Cruise and their insurance

Insurance doesnt pay for crimes. You cannot buy "speeding insurance" to pay your traffic tickets anymore than you can hire someone else to go to jail for you.
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