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Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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I don't think that has ever been a claim of the Keto Diet, I think you are confusing it with the Paleo(lithic man) diet which is similar but distinct.

This reads like a cult member wrote it. It's hard to take you seriously when you (absurdly) state that some diet makes claims.

…uh did you respond to the wrong comment?

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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The big problem I have with the Keto diet is twofold: 1. People rarely compare it directly to something like a "Real Food" diet - they go from a lot of processed crap to mostly non processed stuff on the outside of the grocery store and then see huge benefits. But I suspect if they just switched to a Real Food diet in the first place they would see most of the same benefits. 2. It completely leaves out almost all leg…

When I go on keto I eat a TON of processed foods and take supplements. Keto diets help people, end of story. I wouldn't have been able to lose weight otherwise, I've tried. Keto for me was almost cheating. There's some pretty great products out there with a low GI or net zero carbs but they're all pretty highly processed.

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I tried Keto and all I got out of it was weight loss in year one, followed by plateauing, and then weight gain, and then a nice update from my dentist that I had borderline high blood pressure. Since then I've gone to mostly "low fat, mostly starch, not much animal protein" and I look and feel much better.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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Something about this article is just fishy to me. "Very-low-carbohydrate diets may lack vitamins, minerals, fiber, and phytochemicals found in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains (6–8). " How many vitamins are in non-fortified grains? "However, findings from a recent trial by Hall et al. suggest that a low-fat vegan diet (10% energy from fat) may be more effective than a ketogenic diet in suppressing appetite (27).…

How many vitamins are in non-fortified grains? A quarter-cup serving of wheat berries contains approximately: 158 calories 33 grams carbohydrates 7 grams protein 1 gram fat 6 grams dietary fiber 2 milligrams manganese (97 percent DV) 34 micrograms selenium (49 percent DV) 0.25 milligram thiamine (16 percent DV) 159 milligrams phosphorus (16 percent DV) 60 milligrams magnesium (15 percent DV) 2.8 milligrams niacin (14…

It's hard to understand if that is a good or bad profile the way the information is displayed. If you normalize the nutrient by the calories (2000 calories / 158 calories) then it is high in all of the listed nutrients except folate. But still, this is a minority of the vitamins and minerals you need and it is very low in the rest. So it's not an impressive nutrient profile that you would see from a leafy green, an egg yolk, or liver. Here's a visualization: https://eatnutrients.com/sources/sr28/20071

That's before getting into much more complicated issues around digestibility and nutrient binding making some nutrients unavailable. Suffice to say, wheat berries are not a food that humans ever ate when they grew grains: they always performed processing to turn wheat into bread, etc for good reason. It would make more sense to look at the nutrition of a particular whole wheat bread, etc.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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The big problem I have with the Keto diet is twofold: 1. People rarely compare it directly to something like a "Real Food" diet - they go from a lot of processed crap to mostly non processed stuff on the outside of the grocery store and then see huge benefits. But I suspect if they just switched to a Real Food diet in the first place they would see most of the same benefits. 2. It completely leaves out almost all leg…

> long chain inulin and resistant starch Any references to suggest on these?

For resistant starch, you can look up the "Potato Hack" or other similar things for popular information. There have been a large number of articles you can find on Google Scholar about cooking potatoes/rice/other things and cooling them to produce RS(resistant starch).

https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1541-4...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/092422...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09639...

etc. there are alot more. You can access them through sci-hub or your institution.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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I’ve been in ketosis for roughly the last 4-5 years and I honestly couldn’t see myself going back to a “standard” diet. I’ve lost any real need to track macros heavily and have entered a state of “lazy keto” as some refer to it.

I didn’t switch for any weight loss reasons (I was quite in shape before starting - and still am). I merely just wanted to try it since I had seen it mentioned. For me the biggest switch over was the mental focus and energy benefits. I don’t wake up groggy anymore. My attention to detail has significantly increased. I feel more energetic and require less sleep.

These things are all personal and _not_ something guaranteed for everyone. But if you’re interested I’d say give a solid go.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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I'm always leery when I see a paper with a lead author from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. This is a political advocacy organization focused on pushing their policies rather than focusing on evidence based medicine. That doesn't necessarily make this study wrong but they have been known to exaggerate the evidence in favor of plant-based diets.

Bingo. Effectively the only message I can take away here is that some organization funded "science" to prove their product is better than their competitor's.

Which is not news to me... nor science for that matter.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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People are different, and due to individual needs and desired outcomes, one size fits all dieting isn’t the best thing. I have type 2 diabetes. For the first 7 years after my diagnosis I stuck to the ADA diet I was told to follow and to use insulin to manage my blood glucose. My insulin requirements increased every year…10-15%. My weight stayed the same, trying to lose was difficult to maintain for a long period, and…

Well, 2 things - you are very much an outlier and general advice usually don't work in such a case. Great you found what works for you. It might not be transferable success to any other human being out there, at least not with some side effects you may not be experiencing. Second point - you confirm OP's claim if I understood correctly - people go from one extreme (with having 170 pounds to lose that's some extreme o…

> you are very much an outlier What makes you think he is? Why wouldn't other insulin-resistant people benefit from a diet that's all about managing your insulin response?

Your comment near the end feels like you're facing information that heavily conflicts with what you're used to hearing and are instinctively reaching for the middle ground fallacy. I've yet to hear about someone on the keto diet getting anywhere near dangerously low weight. Most people just complain about plateauing at a slightly higher weight than desired before they start putting any effort into eating before they feel full.

Re: Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Benefits vs. Risks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many vitamins are in non-fortified grains? A quarter-cup serving of wheat berries contains approximately: 158 calories 33 grams carbohydrates 7 grams protein 1 gram fat 6 grams dietary fiber 2 milligrams manganese (97 percent DV) 34 micrograms selenium (49 percent DV) 0.25 milligram thiamine (16 percent DV) 159 milligrams phosphorus (16 percent DV) 60 milligrams magnesium (15 percent DV) 2.8 milligrams niacin (14…

It's hard to understand if that is a good or bad profile the way the information is displayed. If you normalize the nutrient by the calories (2000 calories / 158 calories) then it is high in all of the listed nutrients except folate. But still, this is a minority of the vitamins and minerals you need and it is very low in the rest. So it's not an impressive nutrient profile that you would see from a leafy green, an e…

The question was How many vitamins are in non-fortified grains, and I chose the wholest of whole grains I could think of. Though I wouldn't expect grinding into whole wheat flour to significantly reduce the nutrient content, unless baking burns some of the nutrients away.

Why wouldn't ancient people have eaten wheat berries, boiling (like in a stew) seems like the easiest way to prepare wheat or other grain like barley

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