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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

whatever1 wrote: post #30
netizen-936824 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” He's literally claiming that elderly are not dying at the same rates, based on his internal customer data

Are we reading the same sentence?

So how do you interpret it?

My interpretation is that this guy runs an insurance company who insures working age people through their employers. That is the source of the data, so he is missing data on elderly people

Yet he makes a claim that the people he does not have data on are dying at a lower rate than the people he does have data on. This makes no sense, as you can't make a comparison when you simply don't have data on the group you're comparing against

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by maxerickson »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #20
the_optimist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not saying that elderly people aren’t dying. He’s saying elderly people are not in his sample set. In other words, you read this incorrectly. Also, you do not justify your claim of bias.

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” "that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying" Am I missing something? Is this not a comparison?

It's a literary construction, emphasizing that the 40% increase is not an observation about elderly people.

It's not intended to be taken alone as a statement about the elderly.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by hnburnsy »

xojoc wrote: post #13
netizen-936824 wrote: post #4

Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

How many new young customers do they have? Maybe more people than before think about getting a life insurance and for whatever reason the more "fragile" ones are getting one.

These are most likely group life policies where the employer pays the premiums for a base amount for all employees. Since there is no charge to the employee for the base coverage, most would accept the coverage.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by wayoutthere »

omosubi wrote: post #5

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It’s a mixed bag there; a lot of despair can come from being forced to be around people who you don’t like. Working from home has definitely given me a new perspective and I don’t dread working the way I used to. To paraphrase Sartre, sometimes hell is other people.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by theli0nheart »

kenferry wrote: post #23
omosubi wrote: post #5

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Your comment made me interested to see what happened to the suicide rate. For 2020 it was down a touch. https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/16/the-pandemic-didnt-incre...

It's more complicated than that. Suicide rates for under 35 males were significantly higher.

Per the original source data from the CDC [1]:

> For males, the age-adjusted suicide rate dropped 2%, from 22.4 per 100,000 in 2019 to 21.9 in 2020. Rates for males in age groups 10–14 and 25–34 increased by 13% and 5%, respectively, although only the 5% increase for those aged 25–34 (from 28.0 to 29.3) was significant. Rates for males aged 45–54, 55–64, and 65–74 declined (Figure 3). Although essentially unchanged from 2019, the rate for males aged 75 and over was the highest of all age groups at 40.2 in 2020.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR016.pdf

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

ebiester wrote: post #34
omosubi wrote: post #5

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There are multiple interpretations here. For example, if those disabilities are due to long COVID, then that would indicate that the cure is indeed not worse than the problem itself, but rather that the problem is even worse than we thought. Why is the total deaths up? Are cancer deaths going up because the system is stressed by COVID? Are the people who are dying people who had COVID, or people who didn't? Are peopl…

My point was the comparison between age groups is flawed. Nothing to do with cause.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by _hnoq »

jliptzin wrote: post #8
netizen-936824 wrote: post #4

Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

Also this is a $100 billion company that is private and with only 2400 employees? Something doesn’t smell right.

Roblox has a market cap of 60 billion and less than 1500 employees(it was private until less than a year ago)
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