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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on some of the damage that weapon did in the video, I don't expect that is non lethal by any means. That looks like deadly force to me.

Legally, deadly force. Practically, hell no. Not trusting my life to a metal disc with the same velocity as a BB pellet.

How about 4 discs and 15 BBs? PDX 12ga rounds have like 25cm spread at 15 meters...

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#42

I REALLY doubt the "Good stopping effect". That's the same as the flashlights with "intruder stopping" strobe. They claim 16J. Well, a typical - Germany Legal - Airsoft gun has 7.5J, so we're talking about toy-level of energy. Now, looking at some 9mm ammo, you have around 500-570J depending on type - Ball vs. Hollow Point. Yeah, it's very clear to me, what I want to use if I have to defend myself.

Comparing impact energy between a flat and a pointed object is meaningless. A five-year-old in a pillow fight will put substantially more than 16J into your body.

I agree, and I feel like this is a critical point being overlooked.

A pillow and a point of a stick can apply the same amount of force, with completely different effects.

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#44

Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.

Many Americans (uniformed or not) like yourself really do have a bloodlust about them. Just itching for the day when they can legally get away with shooting somebody. This discusion of de-escalation tactics (ridiculed by a US deligation) is rather enlightening. https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/rcglza/us_delegat...

Humans have bloodlust. Let's not chaffer in national stereotypes.

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#45

I don't have a lot to say about the functionality or specifications here, but I feel like there's a new conceptual issue raised by non-lethal, or notionally non-lethal weapons. Constitutional arguments are about the right to self-defense. That's not necessarily the same as killing someone, and you don't necessarily have a right to killing in and of itself, but only as a means to an end for self-defense. I suppose it…

My understanding is the US constitution’s second amendment has also been interpreted somewhat literally when it refers to a “well regulated militia”. From that perspective being able to have lethal weapons is still important, though given the fact that we don’t allow private citizens to have the gear to go toe to toe with a modern military I’m not sure exactly where that ends and more mundane self-defense begins.

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#46

Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.

Many Americans (uniformed or not) like yourself really do have a bloodlust about them. Just itching for the day when they can legally get away with shooting somebody. This discusion of de-escalation tactics (ridiculed by a US deligation) is rather enlightening. https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/rcglza/us_delegat...

As someone who has de-escalated threats up to and including a knife to the throat (and never pointed a gun at anyone), you’re kidding yourself if you see no reason but bloodlust to want to have the upper hand instead of being at the mercy of a completely unbalanced person you’re trying to talk down.

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#47
First thought that came to mind after watching the video, imagine attaching it to a drone, mob suppression will never be the same again.

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#48

Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.

Honestly if someone breaks into my house they'll be getting a cup of tea and a blanket. Robbery must be an awful way to make a living. They're probably in a life of abuse and addiction. Yes, I'm a total psycho, I already know this.

No, you are a clueless idealist who never spent time with actual home robbers.

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#49

Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.

Honestly if someone breaks into my house they'll be getting a cup of tea and a blanket. Robbery must be an awful way to make a living. They're probably in a life of abuse and addiction. Yes, I'm a total psycho, I already know this.

That sounds like the stance of someone that never had to go through a robbery on the wrong side of the weapon

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#50
post #26

> 3. Internet: it is combined with big data and it can be tracked during the whole process The site feels like satire. Some of the Q&A answers just make little sense. Also, they claim it's non-lethal. After the example videos, I cannot see how that is the case. It looks like it could easily shred through some stomach lining or nick an artery or completely blind someone.

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