YouTube takes down independent court livestreams • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by HideousKojima » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:50 PM UTC

martneumann wrote: post #13

blumomo wrote: post #9

YouTube also just deleted the accounts of the German independent investigatory committee www.corona-ausschuss.de who are an important information source for many German citizen.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rPlayer6554 » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:50 PM UTC

GenerocUsername wrote: post #31

skinkestek wrote: post #15

It is pretty amazing isn't it? Fun to work at Google these days? Get to manipulate the crowds big time? Edit: at least you have now gotten me to watch it. Seriously interesting. Good thing the kid has gotten a good lawyer.

"Manipulating crowds at scale is what we do" "I wouldn't even know how to manipulate just 1 person... unless I am manipulating thousands of people, its just not worth my time as a engineer at Google." "Its not evil if it encourages people to think correctly about issues"

I don't think Google could manipulate only one person. They can't count that low!

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by throwawaygh » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

1cvmask wrote: post #19

martneumann wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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>> the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated.

> Everything is a conspiracy theory till proven otherwise.

Please tell me this comment is ironic.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by BitwiseFool » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

inChargeOfIT wrote: post #20

1cvmask wrote: post #14

YouTube is the great digital video censorship platform. My all time favorite was when they censored an academic conference on censorship. The HN discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down on consuming recommendations.

I'm already trying to gauge likes vs watch count as a sloppy proxy for video quality but it's just not the same.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rat87 » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

> The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private company".

How is this sinister, it seems trivially correct

It course Google and other companies will mess up with their moderation and should be called on it when they do but what exactly is wrong with them moderating in general?

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by shadowgovt » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

GenerocUsername wrote: post #40

shadowgovt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely possible they were taken down in the first place because so many parallel streams of coverage on the same data tripped either a spam detector or an honest-to-God bug in the YouTube backend ("Hm... lots of parallel channels running the exact same bytes. I bet we can consolidate this if we just tee the stream sinks against a source that oops that's a hotspot ...").

doubt. Over the last 6 years there have been toooooo many coincidences which go in 1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions. You only need to flip a coin 5-6 times before you suspect it might be rigged... and after 100's of tosses there is no longer any question.

I'm not sure what the directions are as relates to dropping signal on the Rittenhouse trial.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

1cvmask wrote: post #19

martneumann wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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Yep... even with covid, "it's just 14 days, to flatten the curve", "covid passports are just a conspiracy theory", "all vaccines are safe", "...except astrazeneca" ... "...except J&J" .... "...except moderna",.... add inflation denials, and yeah...

Basically the difference between conspiracy theories and reality was ~6 months.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by throwawaygh » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

You know, you could just... not use youtube. It actually isn't that hard.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by soco » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #41

martneumann wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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As your examples correctly point out, the sites documenting government abuses were not censored. Only the tinfoil wackos were taken down, so I believe in this particular case it works as expected. (later clarification: anyway I definitely don't like the way YouTube goes and I'd post my stuff also on other sites)

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by LogonType10 » Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #30

caeril wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these smaller independent journalists and commenters go against the reality that media companies want you to believe you live in. For an example from this specific case, compare the actual unedited testimony of Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head , to the coverage of his testimony by CNN, et. al. The mainstream media l…

Also compare Grosskreutz's testimony to his statements to various news networks this past week, where he repeatedly contradicted his own sworn testimony.

He lied to the media but told the truth under oath? I'm surprised.