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Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by throwaway9980 »

tootie wrote: post #19
angelzen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids have vanishingly small risk of covid death, 1%-2% of the already vanishingly small risk of death for kids. The article confirms that the 'long covid in kids' fearmongering is also unwarranted. Given that surviving an infection also provides better long term protection (99.9995% of children survive covid), and that an infection later in life becomes significantly more dangerous, it raises big questions over the s…

It's unbelievable that this far into the pandemic people are still making this argument. It has been known from near the beginning that the direct risk to kids is relatively small. The risk is secondary exposure. Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu and can expose hundreds of adults very quickly. Protecting kids will prevent spread. Not to mention kids who are vaccinated can still possibly be exposed to covid an…

I will almost certainly choose to have my children vaccinated as soon as they become eligible. On the other hand I find your argument difficult to accept. I am happy to be injected and subjected to lots of things for the greater good, that’s my choice as an adult, however as a parent I’m wary of any attempt to use my children in furtherance of the greater good.

Put it this way: if for arguments sake it was better for kids to simply become infected to gain immunity and the trade off is that adults might be more likely to be exposed, I think that the correct choice for a parent is what’s best for their child, not the group.

This is the natural response of parents who’s paramount concern is their children. Treating that concern as antisocial is how we end up with raging lunatics at school board meetings.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by slig »

MauranKilom wrote: post #35
bsaul wrote: post #27

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side. This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it.. On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representat…

Ironic how it's not only our own bodies destroying themselves due to COVID, but also our society overall...

"Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste"

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by Pxtl »

bsaul wrote: post #27

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side. This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it.. On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representat…

While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong.

One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this.

The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

glogla wrote: post #24
rafale wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the immune response is comparable to that of a fully vaccinated person, we should be issuing "immunization cards" to people who have recovered. The goal is to control the disease, not the people.

That makes no sense logistically - the test to accurately measure that the people indeed have the antibodies in sufficient strength is more expensive than the vaccine - and now you have to distribute both instead of just one. It's not worth it.

> the test to accurately measure that the people indeed have the antibodies in sufficient strength is more expensive than the vaccine

Let them pay for it, and make its validity valid for only as long as that rest is predictive. If they can’t get it due to distribution issues, they can do the same thing people who refuse their standard vaccines do—stay away from (and be let be by) others.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by glogla »

kybernetyk wrote: post #28
glogla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?

Because if you get needlessly infected, you are almost sure to infect others. You choices impact other people.

Framing it as a personal choice is selfish and disingenuous. It is no more personal choice than dumping toxic waste into a river or firing a gun in random direction in public.

There are people who legitimately can't get vaccinated for medical reasons - but those are rarely the ones using the personal choice argument, are they?

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by peteradio »

Pxtl wrote: post #25
tomp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone seriously arguing both against the vaccine and pro infection? People are just saying (and science confirms) that previously infected shouldn't be discriminated against or forced to vaccinate.

There have been literal COVID parties as anti-vaxxers try to get immunity the natural way. The moral hazard of legitimizing natural immunity is very real. Yes the biological science shows that natural antibodies work well, but social science tells us what dumb people will do it that's supported as a solution.

There are a literally people with animals in their rectum. People do strange things. Your dubious moral hazard degrades by the day as more and more people cross the covid threshold with or without intention.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by whatever1 »

kybernetyk wrote: post #15
Pxtl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

In literally billions of vaccines we have only thousands of side effect deaths.

On the other hand in hundreds of millions of Covid cases we have millions of deaths.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Pxtl wrote: post #43
bsaul wrote: post #27

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side. This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it.. On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representat…

While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong. One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this. The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.

> other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine

They is grey area in between these extremes. Religious and medical exemptions to vaccination are widely supported. And most anti-vaxxers aren’t on the hydroxychloroquine train. Within the antivaxxer community, a subset are fine with immunity documentation provided it reflect their natural immunity.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by wizard-beta »

Pxtl wrote: post #43
bsaul wrote: post #27

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side. This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it.. On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representat…

While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong. One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this. The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.

No. There's a third side pushing for the Scandinavian solution. Pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate.

A little while ago, everyone wanted to be like Norway or Denmark or Sweden -- now they pretend these countries don't exist.

Edit: of course I got shadowbanned from Hacker News for opposing the surveillance state. Curse you.

Edit 2: someone below says "The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those." Private venues setting access rules is incomparable to a surveillance state mandating rules for every person.

"The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings."

I live in Denmark (mods, who are obviously watching me, can verify from my IP) and this is a lie. In Copenhagen today, you can go to stores, malls, museums, anywhere basically without showing a pas. Why don't you shadowban this person for "misinformation" since he is lying?

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