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Re: File picker meme

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Post by alxlaz »

gnulinux wrote: post #30
OJFord wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think GP means it's good or that they agree with it. Just like 'oh yeah, that's to be expected there...'

Again, I don't understand why this is expected. I'm a software engineer and if someone said "closing this because principle! even though user wants it", I will most definitely support my position somewhere . Since this is a community project, why can't that place be public bugtracker instead of private emails?

It's not expected in general, it's the kind of thing I expect from Gnome, and specifically, on Gnome's bug tracker.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by arghwhat »

JasonFruit wrote: post #29
h2odragon wrote: post #23

What's really important is that the elements of the dialog box all move around every few fears, so no one can get too familiar with it and expect to understand what they see at a glance. The presence of text box in which any text entered does something totally unexpected is at least universal.

Absolutely agree about the bizarre textbox that pops up if I accidentally press a key while the filename box isn't selected... what on Earth is it supposed to be doing? Does anyone want that feature, someone who thinks, "Yes, when I hit a key in a Save dialog, I'd like to have a strangely filtered list of the files that are there already!?"

To be fair I use the feature a lot when picking a batch of files for editing. It just makes no sense for saving - it's a bad UX reuse attempt.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by Gualdrapo »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #6
cunidev wrote: post #2

This "meme" is the core of most useless, destroying DE wars in the Linux community. An example of how such a limited case can fuel beliefs of one desktop being "better" than the other, and the latter being something to continuously joke on. The lack of collaboration between desktops is, in my opinion, at the core of the fragmentation that makes Linux desktops still appear so far from their proprietary counterparts. T…

This meme isn't a limited case and it's representative of the mindset that GNOME has. Extremely focused in one "vision" disregarding the opinions and issues of users.

Alas it does not happen only on GNOME.

For example, mentioning how irrational is that to this day GIMP has no dedicated tool to draw basic geometric shapes (rectangles, ovals) as every other image editor does, even the most basic ones, can get you a lecture about how GIMP is free software, its lack of funding, that (allegedly) those tools are irrelevant and go against their philosophy, downvotes, bans...

Re: File picker meme

#44

Post by bombcar »

arghwhat wrote: post #42
JasonFruit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely agree about the bizarre textbox that pops up if I accidentally press a key while the filename box isn't selected... what on Earth is it supposed to be doing? Does anyone want that feature, someone who thinks, "Yes, when I hit a key in a Save dialog, I'd like to have a strangely filtered list of the files that are there already!?"

To be fair I use the feature a lot when picking a batch of files for editing. It just makes no sense for saving - it's a bad UX reuse attempt.

Very very rarely I search on saving, to find a file that I'm going to overwrite.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

cunidev wrote: post #2

This "meme" is the core of most useless, destroying DE wars in the Linux community. An example of how such a limited case can fuel beliefs of one desktop being "better" than the other, and the latter being something to continuously joke on. The lack of collaboration between desktops is, in my opinion, at the core of the fragmentation that makes Linux desktops still appear so far from their proprietary counterparts. T…

> An example of how such a limited case can fuel beliefs of one desktop being "better" than the other

Disagree completely, if they don't care to add such a relatively basic feature that every other environment has and don't care if their users have a 90s level experience opening documents which users do multiple times a day then why would you expect any of the rest of the system to have any care and attention paid to it?

Re: File picker meme

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Post by dkarl »

ta988 wrote: post #19
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Enough spam for today. Locking the issue. Locked as expected. But really? Well-written written arguments from users and developers is considered spam?

Unfortunately GNOME development team has been more interested in hypothetical users than real users.

Oh, dear. Are they still chasing my grandmother? My grandmother has been dead for several years now, and my mom barely uses a laptop anymore, since she prefers her tablet.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

gnulinux wrote: post #30
OJFord wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think GP means it's good or that they agree with it. Just like 'oh yeah, that's to be expected there...'

Again, I don't understand why this is expected. I'm a software engineer and if someone said "closing this because principle! even though user wants it", I will most definitely support my position somewhere . Since this is a community project, why can't that place be public bugtracker instead of private emails?

What's not to understand? Feature requests are closed if there are no plans to implement a certain feature. The developers are just being honest about their plans. Users wanting it or making arguments as to why they want it is irrelevant. Surely there have been times when you've said "no we're not going to implement that feature"?

Re: File picker meme

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Post by [deleted] »

OJFord wrote: post #27
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Enough spam for today. Locking the issue. Locked as expected. But really? Well-written written arguments from users and developers is considered spam?

The worst bit IMO is that that promptly followed: > I've created a new thread that hopefully is a bit more relevant. Continue the conversation here > ['here' marked as duplicate of 'this' and closed]

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Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

Cloudef wrote: post #31
prussian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really how? https://github.com/ranchester2/nautilus-as-file-chooser-poc This is a standardized GTK workflow that works in and out of flatpak.

I was under impression the backend has to implement all of the API to do that. Nice to know it's enough to have dbus service that listens to a single call. I might do this to replace file picker on my machine. It's still baffling however, how fork + exec pipe can't be used for this. Especially considering that under all that dbus cruft the PoC essentially does this: https://github.com/ranchester2/nautilus-as-file-cho…

Using fork and exec with a pipe is not going to work within a sandbox. That "cruft" is necessary for the thing to work...

Re: File picker meme

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Post by ayushnix »

dkarl wrote: post #46
ta988 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately GNOME development team has been more interested in hypothetical users than real users.

Oh, dear. Are they still chasing my grandmother? My grandmother has been dead for several years now, and my mom barely uses a laptop anymore, since she prefers her tablet.

Someone would have to really despise their grandmother if they install Linux on her desktop, doesn't matter which DE it is.

I guess some people out there do like moron-friendly UI and UX.

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