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Re: File picker meme

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Post by Cloudef »

prussian wrote: post #21
Cloudef wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really >The FileChooser portal allows sandboxed applications to ask the user for access to files outside the sandbox. The portal backend will present the user with a file chooser dialog. In addition it being a dbus api for communicating outside a sandbox

Not really how? https://github.com/ranchester2/nautilus-as-file-chooser-poc This is a standardized GTK workflow that works in and out of flatpak.

I was under impression the backend has to implement all of the API to do that. Nice to know it's enough to have dbus service that listens to a single call. I might do this to replace file picker on my machine. It's still baffling however, how fork + exec pipe can't be used for this. Especially considering that under all that dbus cruft the PoC essentially does this: https://github.com/ranchester2/nautilus-as-file-chooser-poc/...

Re: File picker meme

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Post by dublin »

29athrowaway wrote: post #11

At least we don't have to see ads.

I have never seen an ad in Windows, period. (And for that matter, I've never changed any setting to achieve that. Perhaps this is because as a Surface user, I get Win10 Pro installed by default?)

By the way, try using a pen or touch as a meaningfully usable interface on Linux (or Mac)... I'll never buy another computer that doesn't support both rich pen and touch - THAT'S a UI improvement that has changed my life, and made me swear off ALL keyboard-and-mouse-only desktops and laptops forever. (I still use KB/mouse when docked or using type cover, of course, but why would I ever want to limit myself to those?)

BTW - I'll probably also never own another computer that's not dockable - the ability to pull the computer out and have your entire working state just go with you in less than a second is incredibly valuable, as is the ability to dock again when you arrive at one of your desks. My only real complaint about the Surface is that battery replacement is really only practical as a device swap - and Li batteries don't last long enough to use the PC until its technically obsolete. (I'll upgrade to the new SP8, but I'm still running an SP4, which is my third due to two previous battery bloatings since 2014.)

Re: File picker meme

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Post by willcipriano »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #8
Cloudef wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes collaboration goes nowhere: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217

>Enough spam for today. Locking the issue. Locked as expected. But really? Well-written written arguments from users and developers is considered spam?

To the narcissist any criticism of anything they have done, believed, enjoyed or have been involved in is a personal attack, no matter how you phrase it. To you and I, we see a respectful conversation. In the view of the narcissist you might as well have been screaming personal insults at them.

When you see someone getting into a screaming match about why Playstation is better than XBox it may indicate narcissism. If the screamer had chosen the second best option, that would imply they aren't perfect and that isn't something a narcissist is able to process. The internet just allows for the XBox and Playstation selecting narcissists to find one another.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by OJFord »

gnulinux wrote: post #30
OJFord wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think GP means it's good or that they agree with it. Just like 'oh yeah, that's to be expected there...'

Again, I don't understand why this is expected. I'm a software engineer and if someone said "closing this because principle! even though user wants it", I will most definitely support my position somewhere . Since this is a community project, why can't that place be public bugtracker instead of private emails?

I just mean that the other commenter's expecting it (I think) from experience, saying that that's normal there or that it doesn't come as a surprise to them. Again, not saying it's good and fine or that they think that.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by gnomewascool »

andrepd wrote: post #14
swiley wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll take good faith bugs and missing features over the pathological psycho warfare in closed software any day of the week.

I think that the point here is that this is anything but a "good faith bug".

GNOME's attitude isn't caused by them seeking to monetise their software or invigilate their users (e.g. "we say that we're not adding/changing this feature because X, but _really_ we're not doing so because it would prevent us from displaying ads/addicting our users"), but because they have a certain vision that they're stubbornly sticking to, so yes, it is a "good faith bug".

Re: File picker meme

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Post by smoldesu »

I hopped off the GNOME train a few months ago, v40 was just too much, too fast, and will likely leave the ecosystem pretty broken for the considerable future.

However, I still really like GTK (even prefer it over QT, in many ways) and have full faith that the Linux desktop will push through. What concerns me is the hypocrisy of the modern GNOME team and how little they listen to the actual community using their DE. They claim to want "less settings and more features" yet remove features with every update, only to be forced into adding feature flags/settings options to add/remove it at the user's discretion. They claim that we're finally going to kill sacred cows, but the File Picker Meme still exists. They claim to respect your freedom, but force you to use Flatpaks and obfuscate their own code to prevent you from getting consistent app theming. It really disappoints me to see a DE fall from grace like this, but I probably shouldn't have been so dependent on a single project in the first place. Here's hoping they can iron out all of the (many, many) issues before the next major release.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by space_ghost »

JasonFruit wrote: post #24
Kiro wrote: post #18

This is by far the biggest obstacle to mass adoption.

Poe's law strikes again: are you saying, sarcastically, "Yeah of course Gnome's filepicker is the biggest problem Linux has," or are you saying, seriously, "Yes, this attitude of 'We won't fix it because principle !' is the biggest problem the Linux community has"?

Honestly, it could be either one, and that's what makes this meme so interesting/fantastic/depressing.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by Cloudef »

dublin wrote: post #32
29athrowaway wrote: post #11

At least we don't have to see ads.

I have never seen an ad in Windows, period. (And for that matter, I've never changed any setting to achieve that. Perhaps this is because as a Surface user, I get Win10 Pro installed by default?) By the way, try using a pen or touch as a meaningfully usable interface on Linux (or Mac)... I'll never buy another computer that doesn't support both rich pen and touch - THAT'S a UI improvement that has changed my life, an…

Steam Deck is for you perhaps

Re: File picker meme

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Post by superkuh »

The lack of a thumbnail is hardly the most glaring flaw in gtkfilechooserwidget.c in Gtk3. Since 2013 (before this it was fine) the file chooser File->Open dialog no longer allows you to type in it or paste file paths into without first hitting a series of hot keys. It will literally throw an error if you paste a file path into the file chooser. This means every application that uses Gtk3 is broken on linux.

I've talked to the devs responsible for this over on their GNOME IRC channel and they say everyone should port their applications to Gtk4 and Gtk3 is frozen and will never be fixed. I've attempted to fix it myself in source, compile, and manually swap in the new gtk3 libs but so far I can only get the filename entry text box to appear by default on the first "File->Open" operation but none after the first.

It is one of the major reasons I run older versions of software. Newer software is broken unless it is bleeding edge and then nothing actually uses it.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by simion314 »

cunidev wrote: post #2

This "meme" is the core of most useless, destroying DE wars in the Linux community. An example of how such a limited case can fuel beliefs of one desktop being "better" than the other, and the latter being something to continuously joke on. The lack of collaboration between desktops is, in my opinion, at the core of the fragmentation that makes Linux desktops still appear so far from their proprietary counterparts. T…

File picking is a very important thing, I am sorry if is hard to implement but some pathetic workaround or some simplicity excuse is not working with many users.
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