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Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

#42

Sadly, they've abandoned the Surface Book. This means that currently, there is no modern big tablet on the market. Besides, aside the outdated design, the Book is a very valid concept. They've enlarged the Surface Pro screen (now 13", half inch less than the 13.5" Book), but it has a subtly different design (that is, port-richer), which inevitable increases the weight to 880+g - uncomfortable for extended time tablet…

Indeed, is it really so difficult to give me a 15 inch tablet that can attach to a keyboard? The iPad is so close, ARM based performance, battery life, cooling, even as many complained about the Book being unable to be powerful because it's so thin. Well, that never stopped Apple. However, iPadOS is a deal breaker, I need to run whatever I need on the hardware, not what a higher power deigns it so.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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> Introducing new Surface products, built for Windows 11 Surface Duo runs on Android 11 :) I guess at least the version number is the same. Sometimes I wonder how marketing department comes up with such statements.

It says built for, not built on. I recall the livestream saying Duo and Duo 2 can connect to Windows 11 and integrate together.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

#44
I brought a Surface Go 2, and returned it within 3 days. The device was brilliant, but I couldn't get over its operating system, especially not on a mobile device.

I hoped for a tablet I can do light dev work on, but I got a mediocre laptop without a keyboard.

The open/edit/save process is good for desktop, but not for mobile. On mobile operating systems you open and close apps without thinking. On windows you first need to tackle the unsaved change dialogs, find where you save your files, etc. You don't open recent drawings from a gallery, but from your filesystem. It sucks all the joy out of sketching, for example. It becomes work.

The lack if drawing apps was critical. There were Photoshop-like desktop apps, and half-baked mobile one. They were either really complex, or buggy beyond repair. Each handled the pencil in a different way, but never smoothly.

Even media playback sucked. I had to mess with environment variables to make VLC usable with fingers. Windows Media Player was not better.

Then there's Windows Update. My tablet was unusable for a big chunk of the first evening while it installed Bing news in my task bar and messed with my theme.

I heard that these tablets have tons of hardware and software problems, but I didn't get to that.

Long story short, it's really hard to get excited about Surface products when they are crippled by a poor OS and serious reliability issues.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

> Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. It's not even out yet?

It's out for people on the Windows Insiders program. I happen to be on it and got stranded because they enrolled me for Win11 despite my machine not meeting the specs and now they've decided to no longer provide updates to that cohort an downgrading requires a full wipe.

That said, from what I've been seeing Win11 is mostly just Win10 with some minor incremental changes, some good, some bad. The default centering of the task bar is certainly a thing but you can set it to align left as normal although I miss having the task bar moved to the top. Only thing I find a bit tedious is the new right click menu in the file explorer, which I can understand the reasoning behind but still don't think was the right move.

I think the new widgets thing is a misstep like the charms bar but it's just another icon you can ignore. The built-in MS Teams chat feature is interesting but just adds to the redundancy of having to have separate Microsoft and Microsoft 365 accounts, which is getting silly.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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post #34

> Introducing new Surface products, built for Windows 11 Surface Duo runs on Android 11 :) I guess at least the version number is the same. Sometimes I wonder how marketing department comes up with such statements.

It says built for, not built on. I recall the livestream saying Duo and Duo 2 can connect to Windows 11 and integrate together.

It is a matter of interpretation, one can consider hardware built for running Windows 11, when reading such headline.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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post #3

I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Microsoft seems to almost be doing the missteps in a pattern/on purpose. Win95 vs Win98/ME/etc (? not sure) WinXP vs Vista Win7 vs Win8 Win10 vs Win11? It's like the Intel's tick-tock model almost. On some level I do think that bashing this is a bit hypocritical when most of us nerds are also the first ones to bemoan a lack of innovation.

It's more

95/98 -> 98SE

ME -> 2000/XP

Vista -> 7

8 -> 8.1

Can't say about 10 as the version numbers are harder to track

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

#50
post #33

Sadly, they've abandoned the Surface Book. This means that currently, there is no modern big tablet on the market. Besides, aside the outdated design, the Book is a very valid concept. They've enlarged the Surface Pro screen (now 13", half inch less than the 13.5" Book), but it has a subtly different design (that is, port-richer), which inevitable increases the weight to 880+g - uncomfortable for extended time tablet…

From what I understand, the Surface Laptop Studio is a new approach/iteration to the Surface Book concept. Instead of being able to separate the display from the keyboard, which in practice is a bit of a pain as you never know how well Windows and your applications will react, you just switch from "laptop position" to "tablet position". Not sure how well that would work in practice, but it's an interesting idea.

It really depends on the use case.

If the use case is tablet-like functionality, any convertible design simply doesn't work. Using a 700g tablet is already barely comfortable for long usage; a 1.2+ kg one is essentially unusable. In my opinion, it's a great marketing success (in other words, a scam).

For other use cases, I really have no idea what's the user base. I definitely recognize the (relative) innovation of the new functionality, but I have the suspicious that very few users actively use it. The convertible idea itself has been around for a long time, and based on my experience, it doesn't work in practice (in other words, it's a very

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