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New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #18

I've had a notebook like the Surface Laptop Studio - Sony VAIO Flip 15 (2014) - right before Sony sold VAIO. I've had it send in for repairs because the touchscreen was unresponsive a bunch of times before I got my money back and bought a Thinkpad (T440s). It was a software issue because a reboot always fixed it. But I bought it for school so the main part randomly stops working while taking notes was a deal breaker.…

I also like the concept. Did you face issues with heat management, was your device fanless? That's often one of my main concern with those 2-1, if you want a good CPU, you often have throttling issues because it's really difficult to design a good cooling system for such a unique form factor.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by LeoPanthera »

asiachick wrote: post #28
pie42000 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn't look so bad now, does it

Apple requires signing in and registering a credit card to do almost anything on an iOS.

That's not true, don't spread FUD.

Create or use an Apple ID without a payment method: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204034

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow »

pizza234 wrote: post #20

Sadly, they've abandoned the Surface Book. This means that currently, there is no modern big tablet on the market. Besides, aside the outdated design, the Book is a very valid concept. They've enlarged the Surface Pro screen (now 13", half inch less than the 13.5" Book), but it has a subtly different design (that is, port-richer), which inevitable increases the weight to 880+g - uncomfortable for extended time tablet…

From what I understand, the Surface Laptop Studio is a new approach/iteration to the Surface Book concept. Instead of being able to separate the display from the keyboard, which in practice is a bit of a pain as you never know how well Windows and your applications will react, you just switch from "laptop position" to "tablet position". Not sure how well that would work in practice, but it's an interesting idea.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

1_player wrote: post #3

I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

As someone mostly into Windows development ecosystem, I fully agree with the Vista-like misstep (and Windows 8-like as well).

Yesterday they did a community talk about Ink support as if it was something completly new in Windows 11, my feeling was "have these guys ever used UWP Ink?!?".

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by lostmsu »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #32
asiachick wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple requires signing in and registering a credit card to do almost anything on an iOS.

That's not true, don't spread FUD. Create or use an Apple ID without a payment method: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204034

What about without Apple ID?

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

hughrr wrote: post #24
hulitu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are working hard on it. So hard that they ignore all the bugs in Office 365 and just built the latest and (not so) greatest windows.

They ignore all the bugs in everything. Feels like there’s a skeleton crew at MSFT just applying new turd polish and that’s it.

Worse, it seems to be full of new hires (good for the people in question, nothing against them), that management just gets them lose with fresh blood ideas without any background on Windows development.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by LeoPanthera »

lostmsu wrote: post #36
LeoPanthera wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true, don't spread FUD. Create or use an Apple ID without a payment method: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204034

What about without Apple ID?

That isn't what the comment I was replying to said.

However, you need an Apple ID to use the App Store. It's not needed for any of the built-in apps, though.

(It might be needed for iMessage or FaceTime? I'm actually not sure. I think you can use iMessage without it, but it doesn't sync between devices.)

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by 1_player »

dgellow wrote: post #23
skinkestek wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet they have been advertising its problems I think. I'm not that into Windows though.

I have to say that I do not understand the bad press around Windows 11. I'm using the dev channel since it's available and while things have been unstable (expected from a dev release), the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is. My machine doesn't feel slugish anymore, the Start menu and settings panel are finally usable, the new windows snapping features work quite well, managing exte…

> the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is

To me, it looks like another coat of varnish haphazardly and thoughtlessly painted on top of multiple layers on a crumbling, dry wall. A mishmash of ideas added on top of Windows 10, not an evolution and revolution and refactoring of what Windows is. Ah, and more telemetry and ads.

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