An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

Post by fighterpilot » Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 9:55 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #35

dkersten wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An intentional lab leak makes no sense to me at all. Very few people are arguing that it was intentional. I agree that an intentional lab leak is highly, highly unlikely, but I think an accidental lab leak is at least just as likely as the wet market hypothesis and CCP certainly acted extremely suspicious.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. All major world governments do illegal and shady acts when faced with situations that may result in the need for extreme ass-covering. (cf. "righteous strike") If it were an accidental lab leak: so what? How does that change things? If anything, it would accelerate a {trade,cold,cyber,shooting} war with China, which is universally a bad thing, even in pursuit of justice…

Post by inglor_cz » Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

asxd wrote: post #22

peakaboo wrote: post #4

It's so interesting to me that people can't even imagine that covid could be intentionally created and let out. Not a leak, not an accident. Is it because people don't understand that actual evil exists outside of movies? That there are extreamly powerful people in the world that will throw babies into fires because they believe in occult entities? This is not imaginary. We live in a world where very evil people exis…

I think you're right to question authority, but it doesn't seem fair to make the claim that > "there are extreamly powerful people in the world that will throw babies into fires because they believe in occult entities" What makes you believe that is in any way prevalant? Maybe I'm an optimist, but it seems hard to believe that throwing babies into fires is considered okay, even at the highest social echelons.

Post by kruxigt » Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

dogsboywonder wrote: post #18

The amount of censorship, especially among the qualified scientific community in just about every facet of this disease is alarming. Even if the origins were accidental or lab-born or whatnot, the response has been so politicized worldwide that pure science has been largely thrown out the window. Every possibility should be analyzed & tested, even if it goes against the interests of a ruling party and all parties are…

Post by sneak » Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 10:02 AM UTC

fighterpilot wrote: post #41

sneak wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. All major world governments do illegal and shady acts when faced with situations that may result in the need for extreme ass-covering. (cf. "righteous strike") If it were an accidental lab leak: so what? How does that change things? If anything, it would accelerate a {trade,cold,cyber,shooting} war with China, which is universally a bad thing, even in pursuit of justice…

> If it were an accidental lab leak: so what? > pursuit of justice It has nothing to do with a pursuit of justice, at least not for me. It's about understanding where the disease came from and how it jumped to humans, so that we have a better shot at stopping something like this happening again.

Post by markdown » Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 10:14 AM UTC

dkersten wrote: post #24

dreen wrote: post #17

It's well known that local Chinese authorities silenced a doctor (Li Wenliang) who was giving early warnings about the virus. That to me is a more grave mistake than an accidental lab leak, because they lost a chance to nip it in the bud. Accidents happen and quick response is essential. An intentional lab leak makes no sense to me at all. Its like starting a fire in your house to spite your neighbour.

> An intentional lab leak makes no sense to me at all. Very few people are arguing that it was intentional. I agree that an intentional lab leak is highly, highly unlikely, but I think an accidental lab leak is at least just as likely as the wet market hypothesis and CCP certainly acted extremely suspicious.