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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:20 AM UTC

seiferteric wrote: post #10

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #7

20 years from now: “This PC cannot be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA because the ability to run unsigned code makes it an environmental and digital weapon.”

Home built PC's will be considered "ghost computers" and will also be banned.

“The National Commission for Computer Safety and Integrity requires that, as part of the 2032 Standards for Internet Safety, all devices must run manufacturer authorized code unless a permit has been granted, to supposedly prevent future pipeline and cyberwarfare attacks.”

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by seoaeu » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

JoshTriplett wrote: post #16

neolog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a $1100 computer, not a $2M car.

It makes a lot more sense to ban a car (regardless of price) for polluting the environment we all breathe and contributing to global warming, than it does to ban a computer that uses power the end user pays for by the kilowatt.

Vehicle owners pay for gas by the gallon...

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by throwawayboise » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

I can't imagine living in California and having to put up with all its foolishness.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by iammisc » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

All those blue activists speaking their truth to power took their calling a little too seriously lol

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by irjustin » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

gizmo686 wrote: post #18

dn3500 wrote: post #5

Anyone know the actual rules? Is it a hard limit on the amount of power a home computer can consume, or is it something more subtle like a limit on the power when its idling?

For California: https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/IEEDE2D64EF7B4F168... See tables V-6 and V-7

Mostly V-7 it looks like.

What's insane is trying to find this information directly on california gov website. all the links are broken.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by daxfohl » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

Wonder if driving to Idaho to pick one up offsets the carbon savings.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by bostonsre » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #36

Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.

What was the energy consumption per capita before 2018? Curious how much that mild climate is responsible for the energy consumption.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by sxp » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:23 AM UTC

Table V-7 on http://energycodeace.com/download/26420/file_path/fieldList/... has details based on the "expandability score" which limits desktop to 50-75 kWh/year.

The issue seems to be that the devices don't have low-power modes that meet the criteria for annual idle power usage. However "If the model is shipped at the purchaser’s request with either a limited capability operating system or without an operating system, or if the model is not capable of having an operating system, the model is not required to comply with the power management requirements of Section 1605.3(v)(5)(B)." So it should be possible to buy the system without an OS from an appropriate provider.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by ttyprintk » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:23 AM UTC

dn3500 wrote: post #5

Anyone know the actual rules? Is it a hard limit on the amount of power a home computer can consume, or is it something more subtle like a limit on the power when its idling?

Intel mentions consumption at idle as the reason they redesigned for single-rail power supplies.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by neelc » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 3:23 AM UTC

While I don't own any recent Dell hardware (maybe apart from two thin clients I got off eBay), I own a similarly-spec'd HP Omen 30L desktop (AMD Ryzen 5800X version) that was shipped to WA.

I did get the 30L from eBay without a GPU, but Best Buy was willing to ship the GPU-encumbered version to me (Full disclaimer: I don't game, I develop FreeBSD in my spare time and need a powerful PC to compile kernels/packages, I am nc@ in FreeBSD).

Maybe HP is already complying since they are based in California versus Dell being Texas-based, who knows?