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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

1) What are the chances of a 15.6 inch version with a numpad or should I not hold my breath?

2) Are dGPUs expected in the this or an upcoming version?

3) Color options other than white?

4a) Does the keyboard use low-profile Cherry switches or something else? (Edited)

4b) Are the keys backlit? (Edited)

5) ETA on TB4 ports?

6) Is there a 99Wh battery for the laptop?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#42
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Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (…

Thanks!

We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#44
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34. We'll be releasing guides around both of these soon and other distros in the future. On Fedora 34 respins that are going live soon, everything works out of the box, including the fingerprint reader. On Ubuntu 21.04, everything works out of the box except the fingerprint reader, which requires manually upgrading libfprint.

What about Arch, Gentoo, Nix/Guix and *BSDs?

We haven't tested those internally, but we hope to see folks in the community try them! We are absolutely happy to help anyone who gets stuck, and as we see which distros are popular we can plan out more official support for them.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#45
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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around. >Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace? What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware? Who is the ODM…

> Acer Swift 3 SF313-53

Wow, does look almost identical, except renders/photos are showing keyboard for this laptop removed than bottom case for Acer version. To be fair they don’t seem like a huge ripoff in terms of price though, only ~$300 which is more of a simple reality of low volume products.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#46
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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

We're almost all thinking it, so... are you trying to get sued by Apple, or what's the reason for 1:1 copy of the design? Edit: To be clear, I'm not just trying to dunk on the idea. That would be the reason for me not to buy one if it looks like the vendor can fold because Apple dragged them to court.

could be intentional as a dig to apple... they can make a macbook clone that is repairable and configurable; apple's making it difficult intentionally

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#47
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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

From what I can find, the documentation on the screen just says it covers 100% of the sRGB gamut. That's nice, but do you have an example of a calibration profile that shows the full gamut coverage? It would be nice to compare it to Adobe RGB and P3 gamuts. Is the screen HDR or 10 bit input capable?

Not affiliated with Framework Laptop, but I’ll reply anyway.

It’s been my experience that when only sRGB is mentioned, only sRGB is supported. Adobe RGB is relatively rare these days, and any amount of P3 or HDR support is common only in higher end laptops with either very bright backlights or OLED. You might be interested in a new standard, DisplayHDR, which commonly focuses on how bright and technically accurate a screen can be. At this point there are often trade offs between screen technologies, but OLED tends to produce the “nicest” picture. https://displayhdr.org/

Also, as a correction, as long as you’re not performing colour grading on footage, you don’t need 10-bit input or output for HDR. It helps, obviously, but technically you can use dithered 8-bit RGB over HDMI 2.0 at 60 fps and still view HDR content with no perceptible difference between the 8-bit and 10-bit or 12-bit formats. For example: https://2020.smpte.org/home/session/325093/perceptually-dith...

That said, especially when using a computer, I really like the way scrolling feels at 120 fps, so I encourage looking for HDMI 2.1 outputs and inputs for that reason alone. Don’t forget you’ll likely also need a new HDMI cable. As an aside, I’ve tried adapters from DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 and they are so far rather unreliable and prone to overheat.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#48
post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

1) What are the chances of a 15.6 inch version with a numpad or should I not hold my breath? 2) Are dGPUs expected in the this or an upcoming version? 3) Color options other than white? 4a) Does the keyboard use low-profile Cherry switches or something else? (Edited) 4b) Are the keys backlit? (Edited) 5) ETA on TB4 ports? 6) Is there a 99Wh battery for the laptop?

1) We can't announce anything yet, but our current 13.5" Framework Laptop will certainly not be the last product we ever build!

2) See question 1.

3) We've designed the bezel to be color customizable, and there are some photos of orange and white ones on our website. We'll be adding more colors as we go. For the chassis itself, it is anodized aluminum. We don't currently have plans for additional aluminum colors though.

4) We have a custom keyboard with 1.5mm key travel scissor switches, which is longer key travel than most other 5) We can't announce anything on Thunderbolt compatibility until we complete certifications, so keep a look out for that.

6) The internal battery is 55Wh.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How compatible is it with Linux? Was it tested with specific distros?

We've been testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34. We'll be releasing guides around both of these soon and other distros in the future. On Fedora 34 respins that are going live soon, everything works out of the box, including the fingerprint reader. On Ubuntu 21.04, everything works out of the box except the fingerprint reader, which requires manually upgrading libfprint.

Are you considering shipping your own distribution (for instance a modified Ubuntu or Fedora or whatever) and guaranteeing compatibility for that, or do you plan only to issue guides for other distributions?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#50

Is it legal to sell something that looks almost indistinguishable from a MacBook? These responses to anyone pointing out how similar the design is are so disingenuous. Very strange!

Um, this thing has actual buttons, so clearly not a rip off of a MacBook. It also has what appears to be a dedicated power button. Also, this thing is user repairable. That's clearly not copied from Apple. Edit: so not a dedicated power button, but an integrated finger print reader. uh-oh, case is getting weaker ;-)

> To make device security convenient, we also built a Windows Hello-compatible fingerprint reader into the power button

It's both a dedicated power button and a finger print reader.

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